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Big John’s ideas on fixing MMA

Big John McCarthy shares some of his thoughts on how to make MMA better. Figuring out a weightclass system that moves beyond weight (some super futuristic electro-muscle mass measurement system or something?) is an interesting concept. And while I personally think judges shouldn’t be allowed to score half-point rounds until they prove they can actually add fractions together, I do love the idea of putting damage at the forefront of judging criteria. And his idea that all judges should have the crap beaten out of them before they’re allowed to judge – beautiful. Even if it doesn’t help, it can be considered karmic payback for future stupidity.

  • Márcio

    I like all of his ideias, the atlethic comissions probably don’t.

  • Reverend Clint

    his ideas are great and some are easily accomplished like making damage the #1 criteria

  • Symbul

    Volunteers for instructing the ‘Getting hit from mount’ seminar for officials?

  • P W

    “Nobody wants to see a draw.”

    I don’t mind (I don’t have a sister though, so I don’t know if the analogy fits). I don’t think it’s impossible for two guys to be equally good. Or bad. In fact I think THE ONLY reasonable outcome of a fight were neither fighter manages to damage his opponent is a draw.

    “The referee is gonna help the judges.” “There is gonna be a table judge.”

    So we won’t be able to hold anybody accountable for a bad call in the future. Great.

    “Half point system”

    How the fuck is that gonna make the judges more competent (by the way, most of them can only handle TWO numbers – 9 and 10)?!

  • Symbul

    The point is that it’ll let judges do less damage when they have no fucking idea who won the round and just give someone 10-9 because they’re under pressure to not give 10-10 rounds. It’s easier for the fighter who “lost” to come back from that if a round he clearly gets the better of nets him 10-9. It does open up draws a lot more though.

    “So we won’t be able to hold anybody accountable for a bad call in the future. Great.”

    You think anyone’s getting held accountable for anything now? That 50-45 Edgar-Penn 1 judge only caught heat from the ACs because he went on a posting spree on the UG forums making an ass of himself. Jon Schorle faced no reprimand (afaik) for his latest flops in the cage. Besides a good flaming on the internet these guys get off free for almost anything.

  • P W

    “You think anyone’s getting held accountable for anything now?”

    Please don’t assume I’m a fucking idiot. But imagine the blame game a guy like Jon Schorle could play in the ref and a table judge were involved. Getting rid of judges like him and should be the number one priority.

  • CRM_Stephen

    Half points? They’re already ignoring numbers 1-7. Why is calling a round 10-8.5 more effective than calling a round 10-4?

  • dawgbone

    I think damage is a shitty way to score a fight.

    Some of the most visibily damaging blows are the ones that barely connect, especially around the nose and eye area.

    And half points are stupid, why not just enforce the current scoring system? There’s 10 points for a reason, there’s no reason why 10-10 and 10-8 (hell even 10-7) rounds shouldn’t be more common.

    Who cares if there are more draws because of it. It’s a 3 round fight most of the time, there are bound to be draws. I’d rather see a draw than see 2 guy fight 3 equal rounds and one gets picked for no other reason than we are scared of a draw. If a fight is “too close to call” then don’t fucking call it for anyone.

    This isn’t boxing, there are several criterias to winning an MMA bout. You don’t need a knockdown to score a 10-8 round.

  • CRM_Stephen

    As for weight cutting, ad another weigh-in at 4pm, noon, whenever the day of the fight where they can’t be more than 5-10 pounds heavier. That will curb the ridiculous weight cuts.

    Of course, if Big John wants to reclassify the divisions by B.M.I., that’s cool. Just make sure there’s a Wii Fit at all weigh-ins. Imagine how sad the Roy Nelson Mii would be at every weigh-in.

  • godzillad

    Dawbone took my post. Some guys can get their head pounded flat for five straight minutes and look like they just got a forehead massage. Why reward guys for having genetics like that. Poor Josh Barnett, if that ever gets adopted.

  • godzillad

    “As for weight cutting, ad another weigh-in at 4pm, noon, whenever the day of the fight where they can’t be more than 5-10 pounds heavier. That will curb the ridiculous weight cuts.”

    No, it just means guys will cut weight again for a superfluous second weigh-in, then have dehydrated brains *even closer* to fight time and we can all watch the MMA death toll rise.

  • agentsmith

    I agree, that’s the problem with awarding “damage”… some guys bleed/bruise easier than others, plus it’s often the glancing blows that don’t actually hurt the guy which cause the worst cuts. I’m sure if a guy is visibly busted up that already plays more into the minds of the judges than it should, so there’s no reason to adopt the Nick Diaz “who looks more fucked up” judging criteria.

    Bottom line, visible damage doesn’t necessarily mean jack shit. The only sense in which “damage” should be considered is if a guy is visibly rocked, wobbled, knocked down, etc… otherwise only the guy getting hit knows for sure how much it hurt.

  • P W

    Can’t just “effort to finish the fight” be the number one criterion?

  • Reverend Clint

    isnt damage effort to finish? I think when he says damage he isnt saying cuts or huge slams. I think he means one fighter is putting a clinic on the fighter in striking or submissions.

  • Tanhauser

    also, moar KFC for everybody.

  • P W

    “isnt damage effort to finish?”

    Often, yes, but a very close but ultimately failed armbar attempt doesn’t cause any damage. Or a case when you’re trying to engage your opponent but he’s constantly back peddling/running away. Again, zero damage done.

  • ABOMB78

    Where is the Bellator coverage? I’m here LIVE!

  • Reverend Clint

    thats why there are other criteria as well… not just effort to finish/damage

  • P W

    Sorry for going on and on here…

    If “effort to finish the fight” is your overarching criterion it leads to damage infliction, aggression, risk taking, and other positive things. That’s exactly why it’s a good criterion.

    “Damage” on the other hand doesn’t cut it, for reasons mentioned earlier, but also because it leaves the field open for a Machida type of fighting, were you hurt your opponent while remaining unhurt. Your opponent is never in any real danger and your plan is to win on the scorecards. That’s not a style many fans want to see being encouraged.

  • Reverend Clint

    I think “damage” is less the number of shots or even the number of power shot but how fighter a is using the #/power shots effectively to finish. A guy like diaz who throws many shots with 75% of them not amounting to anything is still damaging his oppenent and in the ned wearing them down. A guy who throws huge bombs but only lands a couple like hendo is till effectively trying to damage his opponent but uses a different technique.
    Both guys are trying to finish but using different methods of damage.