By Fightlinker on September 24, 2010
Braylon Edwards got busted for DWI. Everyone knows you’re not suppose to drink and drive, but he still did it. He’s a millionaire, he could have easily afforded to get a taxi, but didn’t. You can’t fix stupid. There are always going to be stupid athletes who think that they can get away with stuff. It doesn’t matter how much education or testing you do, there are always going to be bad apples.
If the UFC started doing their own testing, beyond what the commission does, then the commission would take it as a slap to the face. Big John said bad things about the NV commission, so now he’s not allowed to ref there and pretty much the rest of the country. So if the UFC was to say “Hey, your testing sucks, so we’re going to do our own”, what’s to keep commissions from not allowing them to host events in their state?
I must admit, this whole thing reminds me of my job. My boss won’t openly tell me to “mislead” (translation: lie) to clients…..but if it helps our bottom line & we MOST LIKELY won’t get caught, THEN HE’S ALL FOR IT!!
I think Dana is in the same position, he wants to see the sport grow & the fighters get better. If they’re using PED’s to accomplish it, it’s hard for him to say “don’t do it” when it’s making him millions. So instead he said “Don’t do it….WINK WINK”.
Fucking americans What exactly do you want the UFC to do? As Dana said Sonnen’s been fined & suspended for 1 year. That’s not enough? WTF is wrong with you people.
“If the UFC started doing their own testing, beyond what the commission does, then the commission would take it as a slap to the face.”
Not if the UFC approached it like every other business in America. Say they are drug testing not for fights which is the purview of the Commish but because these people are employed and under contract with the UFC. There testes might not suck but the way they go about it does… only testing right before a fight and half of the commissions only test half the fighters or some shit. The UFC is a $2.5 Billion business and it is in there interest that there employees are not on drugs… the fighters are probably 75%+ of there employees.
Frickshun that’s fucking dumb. risk/reward for an individual fighters might make sense, but wtf does the ufc have to gain for the massive downside? PED fighters are more entertaining now or something?
Dana’s not going to start testing fighters because it makes no sense whatsoever. What about KOTC, Bellator should they also test fighters. if UFC suspends a fighter should Bellator honour the suspension? There’s a hundred reasons why it makes no sense for UFC to test/suspend/fine fighters. And as Dana said already, fighters are getting raped plenty hard as it is.
While I agree that more needs to be done, I don’t see what more they can do, in a realistic sense.
If they were to impose additional testing, fans wouldn’t have any reason to trust them. Even if they were testing, would they do so against their own interests and pop top guys in big fights? They don’t have much incentive to do so outside their concerns for fairness and the fighter’s individual health and safety. How that compares with keeping all the money rolling in, I’m not sure any of us can be sure about.
If they’re not going to test themselves, they could put Mark Ratner on the case of lobbying the states to do more. But without an increase in funding, that’s unlikely to do much good, and with most states beginning to cut essential services, funding is unlikely. If the commissions want to take on more obligations, the money has to come from somewhere and a logical choice would be the fees the promoters and fighters pay for licenses (et cetera). Considering how expensive that would be, the hike might be substantial, at which it would seem like the UFC was working to undermine smaller promotions and their fighters.
My only thought is that the commissions could come up with a progressive scale – an income tax on the live gate, if you will. Tax the first $100K at a certain rate, and each additional amount… well, you get the idea.
All of that seems unlikely and difficult to accomplish – and frankly, outside the scope of Dana White’s involvement.
Jim–>please see: ball, base & ball, foot
As far as UFC benefitting, you don’t see that fighters training harder than their bodies normally allow to make leaps in strength (like Chael who went from mediocre to super dominating contender in a relatively brief time) are great for business? When Leben comes in looking ripped against Bisping & looking more the part, it definitely helps. If every fighter looked like Roy Nelson, the sport wouldn’t be popular or respected.
PED’s aren’t just about looking like pro rasslers. It’s about pushing the body past it’s limits to become more spectacular competitors. You’re right, that sounds terrible for business. That’s why the NFL is completely clean!!
Something everyone seems to be assuming here is that tougher tests will result in less people testing positive. Where’s the evidence for this exactly? AFAIK number of athletes testing positive for PEDs at the Olympics has increased every event, despite the testing getting tougher each time out.
Why is everyone saying that the UFC needs more testing, and not Bellator, MFC, KOTC, SF? Yes, the UFC is the top dog and has the best talent, but that still doesn’t mean that the other orgs should get a pass on drug testing. How are these smaller orgs going to pay for more stringent testing when they’re scrapping by and trying to stay in business?
Instead of saying the organization needs to do more testing, it should be the commissions job to do a better job of testing. In order to do a better job, they need more funding, which isn’t going to happen because states are cutting the budgets in half. I like the idea of charging a fee depending how big your live gate is. But then you get into the situation of will this fee put the small orgs out of business? We need these small orgs in order for fighters to gain experience and sharpen their skills.
If the UFC did their own testing, then it would be a conflict of interest. What’s to keep them from suspending one of their top fighters if he fails a test?
PROTIP: People who are not currently the president of a successful business with a government-appointed overseeing body probably don’t know how they would answer these questions if they were the president of a successful business with a government-appointed overseeing body.
It’s the same thing as people winning millions of dollars and then spending it on ridiculous things and becoming broke. Logically, as an outsider, you would invest your money and retire early. When you actually have the money sitting in your account, you may do that, but you may also want a Ferrari. And now, you can afford one. So once you’re actually in Dana White’s position, you’ll know how you would answer steroid abuse. Currently, though, most people are keyboard warriors.
Since Dana has done his best over the years to be known as a no-sugar-coating, tell-it-like-it-is, no-bullshit, straight shooting kind of guy, it becomes SOOO painfully obvious when he has to tippy toe around a subject. Stricter testing has the potential of being like opening Pandora’s box and I understand why Dana doesn’t want to be the one that has to do it (and pay for it, for that matter).
SI–>I actually do own my own children. I thought I would definitely smother them with love & teach them to be proud, moral people. Instead I let TV raise them & teach them values. I also use them as drug mules & sex slaves if the price is right……