By your logic, you have to
By your logic, you have to beat the man to be the man. So Werdum beat fedor, but jds beat werdum so it should be
If you can say werdum being untrained and unmotivated for his fight against jds is a relevant excuse, then …. i can say fedor unestimating his oppenant in werdum was a relevant reason for his, and that loss totally just doesn’t count.