Meathead on Inside MMA – interesting discussion on TRT
July 5, 2011 at 6:18 am #26365
Meathead apologized for dissing Jenna Jameson, but that was after he was admonished by Kenny Rice for bringing up Jenna’s status as a public figure, and porn star infamy as mitigating factors. He sort of backpedaled after that and just openly apologized to Jenna and Tito, saying it was “bogus” of him to bring someone’s loved ones into the trash talk.
Meathead was refreshingly candid in his assessment of his own performance in the Morecraft fight, and how well he currently stacks up against elite fighters in the HW division.
“I’m moving up the charts but I’ve got so much game to develop on… I made so many mistakes (in the Morecraft fight)… not to rip on Christian, but if I’d have fought a higher caliber fighter there, I would’ve gotten smoked.”
On taking a step up in competition –
“If the UFC wants to see me fight upper level fights and they feel I’m able for that, then I’m ready for that step… but I get concerned sometimes that the mistakes I make against the caliber of fighters I’ve fought, against a better person, a more accomplished person… it might get ugly quickly.”
He says he’s watched his last fight 20 times and is focusing on fixing his mistakes and shoring up his weaknesses.
They also had on Dr. Nickolas Tomasic (a urologist at Marina Del Ray Hospital and member of the American Urological Association HAHA) to talk about Testosterone Replacement Therapy, and in general, young male athletes with low testosterone.
Takeaways from the discussion TRT/PED discussion -
July 5, 2011 at 2:29 pm #127168
- incidents of Hypogonadism in young male athletes are “quite low”
- it’s “rather uncommon” for guys in their 30’s to need TRT.
- causes (other than prior anabolic steroid use) are radiation exposure/chemotherapy, and testicular injuries.
- Meathead asked if the normal ball injuries that you get in training would be sufficient to cause lower testosterone levels, and the doctor said no, that it would have to be pretty severe, like ruptured testicles.
- Dr. brought up the obvious that TRT would give the athlete a competitive edge when used in the training leading up to a fight… WHICH IS WHEN THE PED TESTS SHOULD BE DONE. When it actually matters, not when they’ve gotten the benefit from them and had time to cycle off before the fight.
- It’s too soon to know what the long term effects of TRT will be. It could be “quite devastating”.
- Mark Pavelich says that you shouldn’t get a pass to use TRT/PEDs just because you have low testosterone levels. If your testosterone levels are low, “that’s your fault, but you can’t say these 3 guys can take testosterone and these can’t. No other sport in the world allows that, except for MMA, it’s ridiculous. The rules have to be the same for everyone across the board.”
- Bas calls for Olympic-style testing during training camps. And claims he never ever ever took PEDs. Just “good food and water”. I don’t trust that any fighter that fought in Pancrase back in the day wasn’t juicing.
- Meathead says that when he was in the NFL there was a hotline he could call and he could list the ingredients in a particular supplement and they would tell you if any of those would cause you to test positive.
- Meathead seems to be very knowledgeable about ways that you can cheat the tests by using “safe” supplements.
there is WAY more chance of meathead having a history with PED’s than Bas. why on earth would you think bas took PED’s just because he fought in Japan? I remember Bas saying on the Rogan podcast that he always felt that when he found out his opponent used steroids, that HE had the advantage, because it implied they didn’t think they were good enough without them. I kinda see what he means, beacuse back then PED’s were not the superhuman-drug they are now, these days there’s probably steroids for making your insecurities smaller (not just your balls)July 5, 2011 at 5:30 pm #127175
Good post Grapp….thanks!! I gotta start waching Inside MMA again. I’m a terrible MMA fan these days except for UFC events.July 5, 2011 at 7:10 pm #127186July 5, 2011 at 9:36 pm #127210
well, he was in the nfl.
with his own supplement company. or something along that line. he was sporting an FNutrition.com shirt and mumbled something about being part of a supplement company, but I don’t know if a sponsorship is the extent of it.
why on earth would you think bas took PED’s just because he fought in Japan?
It was more just a snarky comment than an indictment of Bas. But that said, I’d have a hard time believing any fighter that came from that era and said they never ever juiced. The odds would probably be on my side. Bas may be the exception, but knowing how crazy he was back in the day, I’d think he would’ve been up for trying anything.July 5, 2011 at 9:46 pm #127212
I dunno, Bas is crazy in a different way. I think he genuinely takes that “body is a temple” shit seriously (except when it comes to drinking heh heh), and he’s one of the only guys i take seriously when he talks about being an honorable martial artist. Who knows. The only high-level fighter I believe to have never used steroids is BJ Penn. All the rest are up for debate.July 6, 2011 at 1:42 am #127237
^^ and Machida for me.
You could say anyone willing to drink piss for an edge is willing to do PEDs, or you can say that anyone that would drink piss for an edge proably isn’t the type to use PEDs. And that repsectable martial artist shit too.July 6, 2011 at 3:15 am #127251
man if you’re willing to drink piss for an edge you must know NOTHING about PEDs or even powerade. i’m just skeptical about every ‘farm boy strength’ case i’ve ever heard now, Matt Hughes, hell, even tommy speers was probably a trtJuly 6, 2011 at 3:55 am #127252
Mixed Martial AdamMember
Shocking that TRT would give you a significant edge in training? I thought it was just used to get Chael and Nate out of bed in the morning? Hmm…
TRT should be banned just like steroids – if you can’t fight without TRT than you can’t fight. Lots of people have to leave their jobs for legitimate health reasons and fighters should be no exception. If their health treatment can directly (or indirectly) give them a competitive edge than they can’t fight anymore, sorry.
As for random testing, I think that’s probably not economically practical and not fair to any fighter that likes to smoke some weed between bouts, they deserve to relax. However, any fighter signed to a card should be tested both 6 and 4 weeks out from their match (or immediately if they are a late replacement). That would stop most fighters from cycling off steroids during their camp and if they wanted to do them in the off season, than so be it. At least it would not be a factor during main training camps, and it would also make steroid use risky for any fighter who wanted to be considered as a replacement on upcoming cards.July 6, 2011 at 2:39 pm #127273July 6, 2011 at 3:20 pm #127286
When Rumble beat the shit out of Speer, I flashed back to every black guy in my youth picking on a white kid.July 6, 2011 at 4:36 pm #127289
trt seems completely bogus. If they actually let this continue they should be monitoring levels through out training camp then and not allowing them to cycle off. If guys want to use this and the commissions actually allow it they need to monitor it extra close.July 6, 2011 at 4:39 pm #127290
And penix, up there is the latest Penn/Hughes fight in its entirety.July 6, 2011 at 4:48 pm #127292
HA, nice memory.July 7, 2011 at 8:57 am #127361
technique will still beat steroids every time if there’s a large enough gap. But its when theres NO gap, that the PED’s give you the advantage. I think Chael’s fight with anderson would’ve been fairly similar without the trt (but who knows), i mean he IS as good at wrestling and as motivated as he was in that fight. but the trt just makes everything dubious, maybe he was able to absorb more damage, not gas out as fast, etc. the effects are largely unknown so its kinda scary.
anyway i’m a pretty short guy who prefers to solve things with words than fists, and i pretty much only study jiujitsu, not any kickboxing or anything. maybe i’m just low on testosterone and i could take this shit and grow infinite back hair and be a ufc fighter
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