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Frank Mir just isn’t that good

The thing that drives me nuts about the whole Lesnar / Mir fight is the fact that everyone has swallowed the hype so completely surrounding it. Frank Mir simply is not a challenge for Brock Lesnar. Maybe back in the day when Frank Mir actually gave a shit and was any good, sure. But even before the accident, Mir had fits when fighting similar guys to Brock. Add the fact that no one has seen a Mir worth mentioning since he went ass over teakettle off his motorcycle nearly four years ago, and you’ve got yourself a Brock Lesnar win nine times out of ten.

Let’s take a look back at Frank Mir’s UFC career, since I took the time to download and watch the whole thing today:

Roberto Traven @ UFC32: The fight that started the Mir hype. Traven was a black belt and Mir was only purple. Mir pushed Traven around, loosened him up with strikes, and then pulled off a slick armbar out of nowhere. The legend is born.

Pete Williams @ UFC36: Mir cements his reputation as a tricky submission artist by catching Williams in nasty looking shoulder lock right at the beginning of the fight.

Ian Freeman @ UFC38: Ian Freeman absolutely smashes the fuck out of Mir, bullying him around the octagon and keeping Mir from securing any submissions by punching and elbowing him in the face. The dopey ref pulled Freeman off Mir for some kind of doctor’s examination and Mir made a big show of limping and rolling around to have the fight stopped.

Tank Abbott @ UFC41: Oh, wow. A win over Tank Abbott! How impressive.

Wes Simms @ UFC43: Mir had nearly 3 minutes of control to sub Wes Simms out … he had Simms in mount and back control for nearly the whole time but couldn’t secure a choke. Simms eventually shook Mir off his back and then curbed him with illegal stomps. Mir looked okay, but quit anyways, giving him the DQ victory.

Wes Simms @ UFC46: Again, Frank Mir controlled this fight throughout the first and had all the control he needed to pull off a submission. At one point he had Simms in some sort of choke but his sloppy execution meant Simms was fine. About 3 minutes into the first round Mir gassed, and it was only because Simms gassed too near the end of round 2 that Mir was able to score a ‘KO’.

Tim Sylvia @ UFC48: Tim Sylvia bumrushed Mir and got caught in a textbook armbar which snapped his forearm like a twig. Drink more milk, Timmy! This is the fight that re-energized the Mir legend.

Marcio Cruz @ UFC57: Marcio gave Mir another Freeman style beating, pushing Mir around the ring and keeping him from utilizing his sub game by punching Mir in the face (which Mir doesn’t seem to like at all). Marcio cuts Mir’s eye and there’s a doctor’s examination. Mir tells the doctor over and over he can’t see, even after he’s told if he can’t see the fight will be stopped. Herb Dean asks “Do you want to keep fighting?” and Mir kinda slumps and says “Yeah okay”. One minute of Marcio Cruz going to town on a mentally defeated Mir later, and the fight is over.

Dan Christison @ UFC61: Mir came out bloated like a whale for this one and had no energy left at all halfway through the first round. Both fighters looked absolutely terrible and Mir looked like a jiu-jitsu novice rather than the god everyone remembered back in his heyday.

Brandon Vera @ UFC65: Vera’s watched the same fights I have and knows Mir can’t stand to be pressured with strikes. Vera bulldozes Mir, knocking him down with strikes and finishing him off with solid punches to the face. Mir covers up and waits for the ref to rescue him.

Antoni Hardonk @ UFC74: Hardonk had spent several months training with the Gracies and was so excited to try out his new skills he forgot that straight up rolling with a guy like Frank Mir is a guaranteed way to lose. I don’t think Hardonk threw one punch in this entire fight. He goes for a submission right off the bat which allows Mir to transition and lock up a kimura for the win.

Long story short, Mir can’t take the pressure when an opponent starts to lay a beating on him. He’s given up several times during fights and simply can’t pull out his jiu-jitsu when he’s getting hit. This is very bad news for him against Brock because Brock isn’t going to be working on better positions or submissions of his own. Lesnar is going to come out swinging, push Mir against the fence and try to do as much damage as he can as fast as he can.

  • kanos jimoros

    My 52 year old pops called me today and said ” I gotta hundred bucks riding on the Mir vs Chestnar fight, who’s going to win”.. lol I don’t think he’s ever watched an MMA match in his life but he does watch wrasslin’. Hopefully I can convert him over but if not there’s plenty money we can make off his golf buddies..I want my cut old man!

  • ajadoniz

    kanos: get in while the sport is still in its infancy and take advantage of the screwy lines at the bookies! ive made a couple bucks here and there, especially from my tufnub buddies.

  • danaunclefesterwhite

    I’m not sold on Brock Lesnar. Ok so he was a two-time NCAA Division I champion over 8 years ago, is physically strong and fast and he has a great camp in Minnesota. But this is automatically supposed to make Lesnar the shit in MMA? He’s 1-0, having beat only some can in HERO’s. There is more to MMA than wrestling and physical ability. We don’t even know what his sub defense is like.

  • JiuJitsu365

    Dear Fightlinker,

    I am sorry, but you are wrong.


    I appreciate the analysis though….

  • godzillad

    I’ve been using the Freeman and Cruz fights for my reasons Mir will lose but no one wants to buy into Lesnar because he was in the WWE. Well FUCK YOU homos on the Sherdog forums, ya’ll a bunch of mark ass tricks and Mir is gonna get destroyed.

  • fightfan

    Anyone ever hear of a little something called “ROID RAGE”? That’s my prediction…..Lesnar by violent roid rage in round 1.

    Lesnar will continue to tear apart the octagon. Call out Vince McMahon. Beat Bruce Buffer, Joe Rogan and Goldie to a pulp. Just your everyday good old fashioned roid rage

  • intenso

    and now let’s take a look at Lesnar’s career:

  • fightfan

    Brock Lesnar……”Oh, he broke Tim Sylvia’s arm…WHO CARES???”

    that trailer preview for UFC 81 is hilarious when Brock comments on breaking Tim’s arm

  • Michaelthebox

    I’m watching the countdown show and Lesnar cracks me up. He’s a great trash-talker. I hope he smashes Mir.

  • fightfan

    The UFC needs a good shit talker. Who know how Lesnar’s fighting skills will turn out. But, he can talk a good game.

    He is the type, win or lose….he will be talking shit nonstop. At least he will be entertaining if anything else

  • Wu Tang

    Just saw UFC’s countdown unleash or wahtever you call it.. Fuck mir better fuck cock chest up.. I have a true disdain for chest cock..

    They are down playing Big nog vs clumsy ugly virgin that fucks once in a life time sylvia.

    They showed clips of Cro-cop vs big nog.. Man one of the best fights of all times! OMG i need to download it now!!

  • danaunclefesterwhite

    It makes sense why they are pushing the hell out of Lesnar vs. Mir. Brock Lesnar has name value from his WWE stardom whereas no one gives a shit about Sylvia and the UFC n00bs don’t know who Big Nog is.

    Don’t just download Cro Cop vs. Big Nog. Download the whole PRIDE Final Conflict 2003 event. That event was great. I love Grand Prixs. PRIDE was awesome when it was still around.

  • RoB

    ^^Pride Fanboy Alert^^^

  • fightlinker

    Those grand prix’s were awesome. I still remember downloading and watching the finals from 2006 at work … by the end i didn’t give a fuck who saw me watching a video i was just like “Fuck off, this is wicked, say another word and I’ll just quit”

  • Tommy

    I got my bet on Mir and Silvia. Though I hate Tim, safe money is on UFC vets. From the looks of your place Link you should quit your job anyway.

  • JoeRoganIsAnAss

    I’m also going against the hype and picking Mir. I think his best chance is to keep the fight standing until Lesnar reverts to his roots and shoots for double leg. He’s gotta avoid the Clinch at all costs. Lesnar reached for the double in his HERO’s fight which will expose him to knees and submissions. Oh the humanity if he get’s caught in a Guillotone choke in the first round!

  • micjasbro

    Can he take a punch? Will he fall if Mir lands anything significant?

  • cyphron

    Brock Lesnar is the new Tito Ortiz. You either love him or you’ll hate his guts.
    P.S. I hope he’s good because it’s going to be real interesting.

  • Jester

    Franks gunna face fuck Brock, get over your penis tattoo love envy fightlinker your starting to sound like a textbook tuf noob.

  • garth

    Brock Lesnar trained footlock defense 1,000 times.
    He forgot to mention he failed every time.
    Suck it, WWE.

  • fightlinker

    Frank Mir stuck it out in the face of adversity and landed the sub. My hat is off to him, he proved me completely wrong

  • Lesnar is a retard.

    Lesnar had a top spot making a ridiculous amount of money in WWE, but because he’s an idiot and a pansy who couldn’t handle the travel, he left WWE to play football. But, he couldn’t cut it in the NFL and barely made the practice squad before ultimately getting fired. Now, he wants to do MMA and is on the way to proving he can’t cut it there, either. He believes his own hype. While he did lose to a former champ in Mir, the fact of the matter is that the Mir he fought isn’t the same Mir who was champion. If Lesnar still thinks he’s going to be able to handle a top fighter in his prime, he’s dreaming. If this were the early days of UFC, it might be different, but he’ll be facing men who have trained and dedicated their entire lives to the sport. No wrestler, no matter how good his wrestling background is going to be able to just waltz right in and be successful because grappling is only one part of the puzzle. You have to be able to do that, and have striking skills, and have submission skills, and be able to defend against various skills. Bobby Lashley would do well to consider that before following in Lesnar’s footsteps.