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Freddie Roach’s left hook prediction


Josh Koscheck says his plan is to use his wrestling skillz to stay upright with George St Pierre and test his chin. It’s a good gameplan in theory, but in reality there’s a few problems: Georges didn’t seem to have much of a problem the first fight around taking things to the mat, and – as Kos’s teammate Jon Fitch learned two years ago – GSP’s striking ability is nothing to sneeze at.

But times change. Koscheck is a better fighter than he was back in 2007, and he’s actually training his wrestling this time around as opposed to last time where he supposedly didn’t at all. If he does keep it on the feet, he best watch out: Georges has also improved, working with one of the best boxing trainers in the world, Freddie Roach.

“I think it’s a different fight with two different fighters,” said St. Pierre. “I’ve been working on a lot of different things. The main thing I’ve done, I’ve been working a lot on punching power. I’ve been working on that with Freddie Roach. A lot of stuff I was doing wrong and he corrected.”

“I think Freddie helped me a lot. A few months I’ve been working with him and he changed a lot of things in my mechanics. Before I knew him, I thought I knew boxing, but I found out I didn’t,” St. Pierre said. “I’ve been sparring a lot with his professional boxers. Some of his guys are world champions. I’m very ready for this fight. I’ve never had a [better] training camp ever [than] for this fight.”

Unfortunately for Georges, Freddie is tied in in Vegas this weekend cornering Amir Khan (get your BetUS boxing picks in here for that), but when you’ve got a fighter who’s borderline OCD about everything he’s taught, does GSP really need a body there in Montreal to remind him about stuff he’s already drilled into his head?

I’m not always the biggest believer in “X guy trained with Y, now he’s going to be X+Y*100″ You don’t learn via some magical osmosis – everyone’s got their limitations and how much can you really learn in a few weeks, even from a boxing god? But as Bloody Elbow points out, Freddie wasn’t just working generalities with St Pierre’s team:

“Koscheck jumps in from far away,” Roach told “I told (Georges) to not pull away from that and beat that on the counter. I told him, ‘I think you’ll knock him out with the left hook in that fight.'”

That “jumping in” was never more clear than in Koscheck’s fight with Paulo Thiago at UFC 95.

  • frickshun

    Don’t mean to open old wounds but……that gif really looks like an EARLY STOPPAGE.

  • iamphoenix

    it looks like paulo went in for a high five afterwards and kos left him hanging…what a dick.

  • frickshun

    Haha. Phoenix is funny guy.

  • G Funk

    EE is ilarious gei.

  • SST

    I love watching this gif. It always makes me smile.

  • Joon4s

    Koscheck via motorboating GSP’s ass.

  • CAP

    I think Kos was out and he woke up when he hit the floor in that gif.

    It might be a humiliating night for Kos with all the trash he talked to GSP and the Canadians. If he gets tooled or looks like a bloody stump ala Fitch it will be great entertainment when he hears it from the Canadian crowd.

  • MadMan

    ^the future has been predicted… Good call CAP!

  • Del Fuego

    Nothing personal against Roach, I am sure he is a great boxing coach, but I seem to remember things not going well for the last few MMA guys he trained. Arlovski springs to mind.

  • DJ ThunderElbows

    Word Del Fuego, Arlovski got so smoked while knuckle-boxing!

  • GoldenArms

    Arlovski has no chin after what Fedor did to him. I like how Roach said “MMA, UFC and Paciao” or however you spell his name. There is no more boxing, it’s just Paciao.

    I just wan to see Koscheck with red hair. Dyed from his own blood

  • Symbul

    I love that gif. I didn’t remember the finish being that pretty.

  • iamphoenix

    Thanks to frickshun for appreciating and acknowledging my greatness.

  • Blackula Jonez

    Is this the same Roach that trained Arlovski who knocked out in mid air, knocked out while backing up in a straight line and outboxed by Bigfoot Silva.

    The same Roach that told us that BJ Penn had the best boxing in MMA.

    If this is the same guy than I would say he has all but jinxed St. Pierre.

    But I also admit to being a contrarian when it involves fan favorites whom I am indifferent towards.

  • Grappo

    ^^ Arlovski’s problems lie within himself. Roach can train em, but he can’t fight for them.

    As far as BJ, he may be the best boxer (have best technique) in MMA… but he’s another headcase who doesn’t always fight up to his potential.

    Who would you say is better? And please don’t say Edgar.

  • iamphoenix

    so you’re saying bj lost on accidents’s when he fought edgar and lost 2 times when he lost to edgar 2 times?

  • DJ ThunderElbows

    I thought he said BJ had the best Jab in MMA?

  • Blackula Jonez

    I am just trying to put Roaches opinions of mma fighters in perspective.

    As far as best boxers in mma, my top 5 would be

    Eddie Wineland -135’er recent wins against Campuzano and Roop, brilliant use of head movement, angles and body shots.

    Rampage – Monstrous power in his hooks, damn good counter boxing and defensive instincts

    Diaz Bros. – Their pawing slap box inflatable flailing arm flailing tube man style looks like it should not work as well as it does. But if this was London Prizefighting bareknuckle boxing these guys would be seen as geniuses.

    Penn – He isn’t the end all be all, but I would be a hater if I didn’t mention him as one of the best boxers our young sport has seen.

    Michael Mcdonald – another bantamweight, will be in contender ship by this time next year, straight blazing fast punches, no wasted movement. Here is his debut in the WEC from the Faber/Mizugaki undercard

  • frickshun

    Grappo–>Edgar’s boxing IS fantastic. Not just b/c he beat BJ. Boxing is about footwork. He not only creates angles for himself & puts together good combos, he confounds BJ & doesn’t allow him to get off the way he does against inferior strikers.

    The problem for Edgar is the paralyzing fear that LayHard can take him down almost @ will. With that in mind, he can never set his feet or put power into his punches. Whereas BJ is generally fearless of rasslers b/c nobody wants to try & out-jits an octopus!!

    Blackula–>you are the reason I miss CRS. Not too many boxing fans round here. It’s good to get your POV.

  • cochra27

    ^^ He actually said Penn was “by far the best striker in MMA.” Though he said this two years ago, so who knows how he feels on the issue now.

  • Blackula Jonez

    I wanted to add Fedor and JDS to the list but heavyweights are generally slow and horrible and just having decent footwork and handspeed can make you look like well….Fedor and JDS.

    Marlon Sandro and Carwin are also excluded because while they do have okay technique they are good mainly because they have nightmarish power and timing. I see them both as the George Formans of their respective divisions (featherweight and heavyweight).

    Edgars boxing is a joy to watch and granted BJ’s iron chin may have had something to do with it, but you should be able to knock a motherfucker out with speed and technique

  • frickshun

    As much as I like JDS, his boxing is not great. But like you said, it’s easy to look good in the fattyweight division. And Carwin is super-duper raw. Just imagine though, what an athlete like him could do these days if he took up boxing instead of MMA (from amateurs of course).

  • Rodriguez

    Fuck that GIF. What a shitty stoppage.

    Here’s my reasoning why:

  • mamoru

    “Arlovski has no chin after what Fedor did to him.”
    Arlovski never had a chin.
    Have you seen the Datsik KO in his first fight?

  • glassjawsh

    @ rod/frick – i give you this —->

    to refute your argument; dude was on queer street and prolly didn’t know what happened until the ref was in his face

  • frickshun

    Glasscock–>that link is WORTHLESS. And the more I look @ that gif, the more positive I am that it was a very early stoppage. Kos’ arms hit the mat only due to the velocity at which he got “slapped” down. He immediately posted & looked @ the ref as he ran in. Not a good stoppage.

  • Grappo

    “so you’re saying bj lost on accidents’s when he fought edgar and lost 2 times when he lost to edgar 2 times?”

    No, a lot of things went into it, not the least of which was Edgar’s excellent gameplan, and BJ’s atrocious lack of one.

    “Grappo–>Edgar’s boxing IS fantastic. Not just b/c he beat BJ. Boxing is about footwork. He not only creates angles for himself & puts together good combos, he confounds BJ & doesn’t allow him to get off the way he does against inferior strikers.”

    Edgar is a very good boxer. Everything you said, I agree with, though I had Penn winning the first fight. In the 2nd, BJ made none of the adjustments he needed to and went into full on zombie-box mode. Edgar mixed up his game, threatening and completing takedowns, which made his striking all the more effective. I still think BJ is the better fighter, and has better technique when he’s on point. Maybe it comes down to style preference.

  • glassjawsh

    @ frick – look at kos’ eyes at the end of the gif in the link. those are not the eyes of a man coherent of his surroundings

  • frickshun

    GlassJawbone–>I make the same eyes when ur mom gets me off.

    Grappo–>like you, I carry a secret boner for BJ. Of course I think he’s the better fighter!! Unfortunately, as our beloved sport progresses, you need things like “strategy” & “good training partners” coupled with “intense physical training”. BJ is still trying to coast on natural ability & rugged good looks. Oh how I wish he would be the man I know he can be…..

  • DJ ThunderElbows

    Frick, yer nuts – the GIF at Jawsh’s link shows Kos after the stoppage looking confused as shit. Not having an issue with the stoppage, but confused as shit.

  • frickshun

    He was confused b/c someone yelled “Hey Kos, do you identify yourself as Caucasion or African-American? Also, I don’t like your clothing line. At all.”

  • Reverend Clint

    why should he be confused by that? His own mom used to say the samethings