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Congrats to Georges St Pierre for another dominating win. He jabbed the shit out of Josh Koscheck’s face for five rounds in what was a straight up drubbing, taking the fight 50-45 on all cards. That extends his ‘unbeaten rounds’ streak to 30, with the last round he lost being to Koscheck the first time around in 2007. But for all the ease in which he took the fight, it’s getting harder and harder to ignore a simple fact: Georges isn’t finishing fights any more.

Sure, we understand right now with the fight fresh in our minds. Koscheck didn’t quit last night and it was only smart for Georges to keep shit tight – ignore the impulse every time the crowd collectively orgasmed to push in and go for the kill. But a few weeks from now and then forevermore people will just look back on this and see another decision win for Georges St Pierre. And it’s hard to say he’s trying his hardest when he says stuff like this afterward:

“My game doesn’t rely on chance. I don’t gamble when I fight. I try to put all the odds on my side, and that’s why I tried to stay on the outside with my jab.”

Dana White thinks he knows what the haters are going to say:

“These guys are going to say, ‘[St-Pierre] fought a one-eyed guy; he could of took him out, but he didn’t have the killer instinct'”

But at this point it’s getting hard even for a nuthugger like me not to be bothered. Georges’ obsession with perfect fights may be solidifying his legacy with the number of successive rounds dominated and the length of his title run. But as a fighter, right here right now, it’s starting to affect his stock.

We saw him struggle to finish brawler Dan Hardy on the ground, and now we saw him unable to finish wrestler Josh Koscheck on the feet. In the battle for #1 p4p kingpin, most still have Anderson Silva above St Pierre, despite the fact that Anderson has been fighting like a retard for the past two years. But at least we know the Spider is capable of finishing fights, even if he sometimes seems to not feel like it. Georges obviously seems to want a finish, but can’t bring himself to really commit to achieving one.

I get it. After all, it’s his health and paycheck on the line, not ours. But it’s hard as a fan to accept his reasoning when there are so many other fighters out there willing to put everything on the line to do what a fighter is supposed to do: finish fights.

  • Reverend Clint

    I blame Greg Jackson and being French. Those fucking jackson fighters, no matter what Greggy says, are boring and have no aggression.

    Maybe GSP has been wearing his tight undies too long and has Sonnen Syndrome, you know tiny balls.

  • Jim

    Pretty good sum up. It’s kind of interesting to me as a boxing fan.
    Mayweather was universally hated for his aversion to takes risk in fights. GSP takes risk/damage aversion up several notches, but is still loved my all.
    Is it a race/personality thing?
    GSP is a white boy who speaks nice, while Mayweather is an unruly black man.
    I guess GSP doesn’t smack talk, so isn’t panned for not backing it up.

  • Schrute Boxe

    I have no problem with GSP’s performance last night. When a fighter is that dominant, a finish is unnecessary. Somebody at BE posted this analysis of the fight and frankly, it couldn’t have been said better:

    “What people need to realize is that GSP as of late, doesn’t aim for the finish in the traditional sense. What he does is actually far more sadistic then simply punching a guy unconscious.

    GSP is making it his goal in every fight to break people. Mentally & Spiritually. He figures out what will be their high priority chance of winning and uses it against them. He plays to the strength of his opponent and utterly decimates them.

    I felt bad for Koscheck around Round Three. Josh had obviously trained for the fight of his life. Anything short of unconsciousness wouldn’t have taken him out of the fight. But no matter how hard he trains, no matter how hard he tries, no matter what technique or strategy he used, he would not beat GSP. He will probably never beat GSP. And GSP made sure Koscheck knew it in every possible way.

    There’s nothing Koscheck can take out of this loss. If you get KO’d or sub’d you can convince yourself you just got “caught”. If it’s a close decision you can convince you were robbed. But GSP intentionally shut down every move Koscheck could have made at all times in the fight while beating him savagely in a leisurely fashion. Nothing Koscheck did netted a positive result. He has nothing to “improve” because nothing was good enough.

    GSP “finished” alright. He just didn’t finish the fight. What he “finished” was any aspirations Koscheck has, or will ever have as long as GSP is in that division of being the world champion. In essence, he “finished” Koscheck’s fighting dreams and aspirations.

    That’s ten times worse then being knocked unconscious.”

  • Symbul

    ^Jim: I’m hardly an authority on the boxing community, but I’m sure it helps help that Floyd Mayweather is a first class douchebag and GSP couldn’t possibly be a more likeable guy.

    I’m over GSP not finishing guys. He doesn’t go out on a limb to put the final nail in the coffin but he is absolutely dominating guys and hurting them plenty. This isn’t Gray Maynard. I don’t think Kos landed more than couple of punches cleanly in the entire fight and his wrestling availed him nothing (to be fair GSP couldn’t hold control either). For all intents and purposes he was out on his feet.

  • omar

    Another moronic emphasis on “finishing” fights. Never mind the fact that he’s fighting elite top ranking fighters and consistently winning in dominating fashion. Comparing him to other guys who are “putting everything on the line” is so stupid because they’re either : a) not fighting top competition, b) are not consistently winning.

  • scissors61

    I’m not really bothered by him not finishing guys, but it is time for him to go to middleweight and fight Silva. I want to see GSP in a challenging fight, and it’s clear that there is simply no credible threat to him at 170lbs. Shields? Please. Fitch? Seen it, don’t need to see it again. Dana needs to tell him to start eating more poutine and get in the fucking ring with Anderson.

  • P W

    I don’t mind the lack of finishing ability either. I guesstimate it’s around 70-30 on this site, split between people who can accept it and those who cannot.

    However, I understand how it can be used as an argument against GSP in the best p4p discussion. It kinda makes sense than the best MMA fighter in the world has to be someone who actually wins fights by himself (and not with the judges help).

  • NinjaCodah

    The guys who try to bang and finish fights get knocked out eventually. Look at Joe Stevenson, he’s exciting alright… when he loses! Worse than him is that fucking idiot Riddle who smiled when getting hit. What-A-Loser! He smiled a lot, what does that tell the judges? I don’t understand why a bum-fight should be considered fight of the night. These fucking guys will never move up in ranks.

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  • Lesnar.Dancer

    Couldn’t agree more.

    I really enjoyed the whole card up until the 2nd round of the title fight. I knew nothing was going to happen other than GSP throwing a jab, Kos missing with the right, and maybe a crappy takedown here or there.

    It wasn’t a good fight. Once you get past the nuthugging and cockwashing for GSP grand ability it wasn’t a memorable or entertaining fight at all.

    Neither guy looked that great at boxing, and neither guy got anything done on the ground.

    You can say GSP has a great jab and KOS has better TD defense, but that’s about all you can say.

    Also.. if GSP is so much better than these guys, why isn’t he able to end the fight? He has the ability obviously, he’s just too afraid to lose.

  • FiveBoltMain

    Ryan, you need to put the bong down because you’re talking out of your ass.

    Schrute nailed it right on the head. It is far worse beating the piss out of your opponent for 5 rounds than getting a KO in 2 mins. A KO can be shrugged off as being “luck”, while getting your faced pummeled into hamburger meat for 25 mins can’t be shrugged off. GSP makes his opponents look like noobs. It’s like taking candy from a baby.

    And this whole P4P list is stupid. Who cares who’s #1. Everyone is going to have a different king. It’s kind of like saying who’s the greatest hard rock band of all time. Some are going to say Zeppelin, others will say Sabbath. In the end, it doesn’t mater because both bands changed the music industry.

    Andy and GSP will go down as legends when they retire, and that’s all that I care about.

  • iamphoenix

    ^ I agree 1000%…but who’s number 1?

  • Lesnar.Dancer

    So it’s lucky when you practice precision and know how to KO a man?

    All knockouts are blind luck?

    You smokin something son.

  • scissors61

    No such thing as a lucky knockout. Luck can’t co-exist with intent.

  • frickshun

    I have never read more dumb opinions.

    GSP was not trying to “break his spirit”. He was trying win intelligently. He did that. He’s not asking you to be his fan. He would have stopped him if he could. It didn’t come. I would have liked to see a few high kicks but oh well. He’s a champion that knows how to dominate, keep the belt & take minimal risk. If you don’t like it, just be someone else’s fan.


  • iamphoenix


    Their life story.

  • G Funk

    Good and surprising write-up by Ryan. And the fag is right bout you guys being fags.

  • Schrute Boxe

    “Luck can’t co-exist with intent.”

    lol so when you intend to win the lottery it’s not luck?

    put down “the secret” chum

    in any case the whole point of the flash ko is that loser tends to chalk up the fight as “i just got caught”. Koscheck by contrast cannot discern any lesson from getting his face turned to jelly for 25 minutes other than he will never be the ww champ.

  • scissors61

    Nope, not luck, just probability and improbability making themselves felt in the world. I don’t know what “The Secret” is, but whatevs.

  • Redping

    you should look into the Secret, if you’re into side-tracking conversations into being about stupid bullshit and arguing whether luck truly exists. It’s right up your alley

    luck exists, everyone in the world knows that except blindly religious people and people who survived insane car crashses and swear they were saved by the ghost of rambo. GSP didn’t get lucky last night because he didn’t need it, and he didn’t let Koscheck get lucky, which would’ve been the only way he’d win. I think they should just make GSP fights go for 3 rounds, I lost my luster for that fight after a while of being impressed by the jab. I think Koscheck lost a lot of heart in the last couple of rounds, even at the end instead of going for broke he kinda waited to congratulate GSP instead.

    I’m happy to see Danzig’s luck finally change, too. He’s had a rough run.

    Also I put 5 bucks on danzig and pierson and 10 bucks on miller and i made 50 bucks, was a pretty good day for australian liquor stores. Was a great feeling being surrounded by friends saying ‘YOU’RE AN IDIOT, JIM MILLER IS GOING TO GET SUBMITTED FOR SURE’ and then he instantly slapped on a heelhook to kneebar. Fuckin’ classy stuff, but that’s the last time he’ll make me money unless they give him another ‘prospect’

  • I am the Liquor

    Well stated Ryan. Its not easy being a visionary, a trail blazer, but you are doing it. Eventually the fucktards will catch on and then claim they knew it all along, that’s right Schrute, Im lookin at you!

    I love GSP, but he needs to start having the appearance at least of wanting to finish fights. That was lacking this past weekend. The advice coming from his corner spoke volumes. The plan was to keep it safe. Nice and easy. Fuck that. That isnt a fighter. That’s a pussy.

  • I am the Liquor

    Sorry, double post.

  • iamphoenix

    Sorry, single post.

  • frickshun

    Sorry…..I’m awake b/c I got the squirts!!

  • Blackula Jonez

    I am really confused by Ryan sometimes. He will be the first to say that he thinks fight breakdowns are silly and have no basis in reality but he will be the first to bitch about a fight not playing out how he imagined it would go down.

    I personally enjoy people trying to break down fights, and even if my prediction is right on the money or not even close to what happened I just accept the reality of the results.

    I like finishes as much as the next guy, but there is a castrating effect to messing a guy up while taking no damage. Honestly where does Kos go from here? He has fought Georges twice and received one of the most complete defeats of his career, whats he gonna do, fight his way back to a 3rd fight?

    For the record Matt Serra has more to do with the risk averse style of GSP than Jackson does imo.

  • Blackula Jonez

    Fans want Strikeforce style finishes with UFC fan favorites, unfortunately that isn’t going to happen on a regular basis.

    People need to accept this, if the UFC is where the elites go to complete then we should watch cards expecting to see just that. The expectation of knock down drag out brawls should be saved for particular fighters who have a history of fighting that way or any evenly matched undercard fight.

  • El Loco Gringo

    “But hi only like to heat alf my sangwich”

  • El Loco Gringo

    “But hi only like to heat alf my sangwich”

  • G Funk

    GodDamn Blackula is one serious-blogging, long enduring, though knowledgable jackal.

    Hey black! Why don’t you black it up and start wildin out on some fools.

  • frickshun

    Nigga please!! Blackula prolly wears a bowtie & don’t dig on swine.

  • G Funk

    But Pork Chops taste good, bacon tastes goood.

  • FiveBoltMain

    G, WTF are you talking about!? We don’t want another CRS on our hands. Blackula is just fine the way he is. Why don’t you accept him for who he is?

    Stop hating the playa!!