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I’m right, you motherfuckers

Lots of people mocked my totally not gay love for Ken Shamrock last week when I made the argument that Ken Shamrock was one of if not the biggest money maker for the UFC. I was originally gonna dig up some numbers, but instead I cried myself to sleep with your nasty comments ringing in my ears. But now, lo and behold: Ken Shamrock himself dug up the numbers to prove that I’m smart, U R dumb, fuck you, Shamrock rules:

And one of the facts are right here, Dana White says that Ken Shamrock did not make money for the UFC, but Randy Couture did. And Randy Couture is a great man, but for Dana White to say that about me, the facts are right here:

Shamrock-Ortiz I, UFC 40: 150k Pay-Per-View buys – double what Zuffa had done so far at that time, the highest in ’96.

Shamrock Vs. Ortiz II, UFC 61: 775k Pay-Per-View buys, second-highest UFC Pay-Per-View to date in history. Second-highest – no sports Pay-Per-View in history was first until De La Hoya and Mayweather.

Ultimate Fighter 3 averaged 1.7 for season average. For other seasons is 1.2. That included Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell – two of their biggest champions, we still outdid them.

So now Ken Shamrock and Ortiz III – rated top out of 5.7 million viewers during 9:30 to 9:45 period making it the most watched UFC event in the promotion’s history up to that date.

Now, what Dana White was saying was that Ken Shamrock did not make money for the UFC, but Randy Couture did. He knows these facts. He knows what I just quoted off. He deliberately lied to hurt my credibility. He knows these numbers.

  • Tommy

    Tito vs Liddell sold bout the most, if not the most, ppvs of all time. See a correlation in there. Tito’s name. Now trully I hate Tito and loved old Ken, but Tito sells seats. His (Ken) mind and pride got the better of him and ruined his name by coming out of retirement when he shouldn’t have. Hence the downfall of the Lions den, his income and lifestyle. It’s believeable that Dana pushed him into the fight when he was injured. But his arguement has Tito in everthing. Seems he’s using his embarrassing loses as his claim to fame, piggybacking Tito’s numbers.

  • The Truth

    Tommy, you idiot….Tito’s name is in every fight because he was fighting Shamrock

    Good one, Sherlock

  • stellar53

    Shamrock sucks, Tito rules….

  • kentyman

    The point is, Ken vs. Tito is what made those numbers. Not Tito vs. Rashad. Not Tito vs. Forrest.

    Washed up or not, Ken was integral.

  • steve24

    I don’t think Shamrock got any PPV revenue for those fights. Just because your in the main event doesn’t mean you get a cut of PPV. The last 2 times Tito and Shamrock fought were grudge matches. Neither of them were at the top of the divisions.

  • fightlinker

    We’re not talking about money … we’re talking about RESPECT!@

  • ajadoniz

    umm… i believe Mr. Ortiz did the heavy lifting there, ALTHOUGH without Kenny’s persona there wouldn’t be such a draw to the rivalry between them. I would have to say, Ortiz did 70%, Ken did 30%.

  • Xavier

    Shamrock makes a great argument that Tito Ortiz deserves a big fat contract for carrying his broke-down ass to good feuds. It wasn’t Shamrock’s mouth carrying that shit.

  • Ted Dibiase

    of course he made dana money. dana is gonna talk shit on anyone whos not under contract. look at him saying he doesnt want fedor in the ufc. sure dana. we believe you.

    “we still outdid them”

    nice, you and ken are a team now. maybe the two of you can beat up fedor. smells like you just booked the “2 Cans, 1 Fedor” fight

  • operator

    Ken was the man back in the days and he fought in the first ufc event. If he didn’t make any money for the ufc then why did they keep bringing him back. He earned his respect and Tito is a business man first fighter second. Tito talks like he has been around since the beginning carrying the ufc on his back but Ken is a true pioneer of the sport along with Gracie. Dana is like Vince Mc mahon he uses people up throws them away and then drags their name through the mud. He was willing to pay fedor the big bucks but couldn’t seal the deal so all of a sudden fedor sucks what a joke to say that after he just tried to sighn the guy and according to coutore pay rediculous money. So I guess the ufc is willing to over pay fighters who suck that is the message Im getting.

  • RT

    1) Ken is at least as big of draw as Tito and if you consider mainstream fans he’s probably draws more. Classic Dana bullshit, This is up there with “Fedor’s not even in the top five.”
    2) In this case it is about respect as opposed to money im not thinkin shamrock is asking for a raise, He is just for his contract to be honored and to be shown respect.

  • Matt (tapout name shitstain)

    You need to buy your Ken Shammy loving ass a purple robe.

  • Dru Down

    The time between TUF 3 and Ortiz/Shamrock 3 was like a golden age- evey time I turned on the TV I was treated to that clip of Ken kicking the chair.


  • operator

    thanks for the advice shitstain

  • fightfan

    I think Don Frye said it best…..”The World’s Most Dangerous Man” , behind the wheel of a car


    Talk about arrogance. Even in his prime, who did Shamrock beat???? In his prime he was involved in the UFC’s most boring snoozefest with Dan Severn(30 MINUTES to a draw)

  • Thomas

    its not about the money its about the respect but it’s about the money but really not but by giving me money id be respected so its about the money but no I need to be respected so It’s not about the money
    ~Randy Couture

  • DannyP

    He may be right but he’s still a douche

  • marshal

    Ken Shamrock is not a draw for me. Nuff said bitch.

  • Amy Robinson

    ya, for a very long time, Tito/Ken was their biggest drawing fight in history, until the TUF explosion. I thought that was pretty much common knowledge, but I guess people have selective knowledge on certain things.

    And even after the boom, that fight and thier rematches have still ranked very high as far as biggest alltime moneymakers for the company. Shamrock is certainly amongst the biggest four money makers alltime in the UFC; him, Ortiz, Liddell and Couture.

  • Jaiden

    The key figure in all of these debates is Dana White. I’m getting a sour taste in my mouth over the lack of respect given to fighters that he has a grudge against. The list is growing…..

    The UFC is not thinking long term. What happens when Dana’s business practices have burned bridges with all the fighters and their camps?
    As fight fans become more sophisticated and begin to know other fighters in other orgs., the UFC is going to start losing business…..

  • jazzn

    Yeah, he’s right. I watched every one of those fights with Tito. I just done remember why…

  • Michaelthebox

    Jaiden: For all this talk about burned bridges, Randy Couture is the only fighter in the world that has left the UFC under the Zuffa reign based on ‘respect’, and he doesn’t have to worry about paying the bills or the rest of his career. The UFC is under zero threat about fighters getting pissed off over respect. Money talks and the UFC has more money than anybody else.

  • Amy

    Does anyone think Diaz v Mayhem would be sick?

  • Matt (tapout name shitstain)

    I ordered Ken vs Ortiz I in college. It was the first UFC I had seen since UFC 15. I was bragging to all my friends how Ken was going to break Tito’s ankles with these sick ankle locks he had. Fuck you Ken for making me look like an asshole, more so than normal.

  • Mike_N

    I feel like Al Pacino with every online “Ken Shamrock: truly great?” argument: just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. Most of Ken’s major losses: with the exception of the Franklin and Ortiz fights (no question about those), Ken’s major draws/losses all come with asterisks: everyone agrees that the second Gracie fight would have gone to Ken had the UFC put judges at ringside. He was kicking Fujita’s ass until he had heart palpitations, and the Frye fight was a coin flip, particularly under PRIDE scoring. Yeah, Ken gassed, but he still could have walked away with the duke.

    He gave almost five years in his physical prime to the sideshow that is professional wrestling, and when he came back, he didn’t fight in freakshow matches or ‘oldies’ fights like other UFC pioneers (cough cough Royce, Tank, and Kimo cough). He fought legit up-and-comers and contenders: whether that was a particularly good idea or not, I can’t say, but I don’t think you’ll ever see a Shamrock/Butterbean fight. Ken was a great fighter and great for raising the profile of the sport in general; it’s just a shame that he hasn’t retired yet.

  • islandguy

    The UFC made money from those Shamrock-Ortiz fights because they promoted the hell out of them and marketed them very slickly, not because there was anything to prove by having them. Those fights probably never should have take place.. well the first one maybe because that’s how you find out. The second one – dubious. It was put on because of the TUF reality show hyped the personalities so much that it would have been like throwing millions of dollars down the toilet not to do it. In match-up terms there was no reason to have that fight – as the result proved clearly.. Ken’s assertion that he was not unconscious when the fight was stopped and thus deserved a rematch was absurd as had the fight continued he would have soon been out. He had his butt kicked very very badly and the whole bloody world knew what the result of the third fight would be and it was the same; a non-fight. We got sold the same useless garbage three times. I am not doubting his balls in getting into an octagon with a guy he knew would give him a licking but to say that those fights made money because of him … ok he was there but that was a technicality. Those fights were more like pro wrestling – all about personality and hype .. and we as fans fell for it and believed the hype and basically got sold a bill of goods and we deserved it.

    I have nothing against Ken Shamrock. He was a great UFC pioneer in his time and did many great things back in the day. The Ortiz fights were not among them. Typical of Dana White to slag people unnecessarily and that sucks too. But to hold up those three fights as something remarkable in the history of MMA is a disgrace. Those three fights represent the selling out of the sport and blatant opportunism; sucking the money out of the paying public and delivering something they knew had no real value. As fans we cannot allow any hype about those fights without bringing that up.

  • kentyman

    Sucking the money out of the paying public? It sold ’cause people wanted to see it. You’re fucking welcome.

  • islandguy

    Yeah and we still can’t figure out why…