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Is oversaturation going to be a problem?

I like Dave Meltzer and all … next to Kevin Iole he’s like a bastion of reporting ethics. Well, lets ignore the fact that Dave cherry picks what he’s going to report for Yahoo in favor of his for-pay newsletter. But fuck … Yahoo probably demands that all it’s MMA news be stale and obvious.

But one thing I don’t like about Dave is that he constantly compares MMA to Pro Wrestling. He just can’t help it … that’s his background, so he’s powerless to resist comparing the two:

There is a business lesson from pro wrestling over the past few years that UFC should heed. WWE increased from 12 to 16 pay-per-view events, and the results of the overexposure were such that they are cutting back to 14 this year. UFC’s current schedule (running major events on Dec. 29, Jan. 19, and Feb. 2) is the type of schedule that caused the WWE base audience to begin to pick and choose between events.

It’s a slippery slope that becomes a difficult rebound. This is not as much a factor to boxing, because few boxing fans buy every show, with most picking and choosing only the big-name fights. UFC, like WWE, sells almost as much on the brand name as the main events, drawing a regular monthly crowd.

The big difference here is that on top of all those PPVs, the WWE does five hours of new television a week, hours of syndicated programming, and several house shows. Quite frankly, the UFC would have to quadruple (or perhaps even octogonize) themselves to even get near the amount of content the WWE is pumping out. If they did, would they then be over saturated? Sure. But as it stands, the UFC is still in a situation where the demand outstrips the supply. That’s the only explanation as to why they’re able to put out shit like UFC78 and still get sales.

I’d say quality suffers before the saturation point, and that’s the real problem. The UFC is in no danger of exceeding the demand for UFC product … but they are having a hard time upping the quantity without the quality suffering. Because of the pace of the events, they’re just not developing enough new stars to stack their PPVs like they used to. The solution? Don’t lower the number of pay per views. Up the number of Fight Nights and other events which don’t rely on a stellar card. Develop the new talent, make your guys fight more often to establish a clearer line of contendership.

Anyways, I just find it funny how the pro wrestling writers are always comparing MMA to pro wrestling. Sure, there’s always paralels to read into when you’re dealing with two companies which deal in the same mediums, but for the most part the comparisons are just stupid.

  • jeff aka whaledog

    Let me see if I got this straight. Wrestling is over saturated because it gives away too much content on free t.v., but the way for the UFC to avoid over saturation is to give away more content on free t.v.

    That is exactly the type of brilliant analysis that keeps me coming back to :)

  • fightlinker

    Yeah, i seem to be having a retard day where I can’t express myself properly. Hmmm.

  • Fightlinker Jackal

    Is octogonize even a real word? :P

  • frickshun


    I agree that the WW”F” has too much product being pumped out. But I disagree that you can’t draw a parallel from them to UFC. Brand 1st & they don’t treat it like a real sport w/real reporting & real questions. I love when Ron Kruk reminds everyone how UFC refuses to give them footage to report on.

  • Tertio

    A bi-weekly or even weekly UFN would be awesome.

    You should open a message board.

  • Tertio

    Seriously dude how about a message board.

  • fightlinker

    Friday :-) We can all discuss how wrong i am on the message boards come friday!

  • Tertio

    Thats good news.

    Just got banned from Sherdogs and i need a place to express my angst.

    Will i be able to say “STFU you retarded ass monkey” without fear of represalias?

  • fightlinker

    what’s the point of having a message board just to tell people to shut up? We have no idea how the dynamic will shape itself yet, but the general idea is to create a forum that’s less dumb than and Sherdog (not that we’ll be better than the good bits … we just want less of the bad stuff)

  • pauli

    dude, telling other people to shut up is the whole POINT of message boards! where the fuck have you been?

  • Accomando

    “..the WWE does five hours of new television a week..”

    linker, I think this was your main point.

    Does the UFC even have 1 hour of something new guaranteed every week? No, they don’t, so they are not at oversaturation yet. However, I do feel like the steam from MMA has been slowing down, I mean, I really think that punch that Rampage landed really slowed the climb of MMA.

    It has nothing to do with the fact that Rampage won, he is way more entertaining than Chuck anyway, it was HOW he won. I mean, a 1-punch KO?? I mean, that, after the Chuck was getting blown by everyone while on drugs, even including ESPN and the like for weeks before the fight?

    So what does that dumbass coke-head chuck do, he gets a B.J. for a month straight, and then he gets his ass KO’ed w/ 1 punch. No war, no multiple knockdowns, no slams, no nothing; just Chuck acting like he was a born-again near a river.

    Farking really fucked shit up. Furthermore, due to all the pre-fight hype, you know there were a bunch of first timers watchin’ it, and witnessed a f’ing joke and were not imressed and said, for now, fuck MMA.

  • fightlinker

    general idea was WWE *is* over saturated, while the UFC is nowhere near. However, the UFC is suffering from not being able to develop enough talent to stack it’s cards. Therefore it needs to up the amount of smaller shows it does which create new stars. Do i mean 5 hours of new events a week? No. But right now the deal for Spike is something like 4 UFNs a year plus 2 TUF finales. Honestly, that just isn’t enough.

    Anyways, I completely agree, I butchered this post + even here I’m not quite laying it out like it is in my mind. Maybe i’ll give it another proper shot tomorrow when i’m not retarded.

  • Tertio

    I am not the kind of poster to tell every one to STFU. I can express my anger in other ways.

    I usually hunt for an idiotic post and let it all go. In an unintelligent and inarticulate way.

  • dulljake

    the basic rules of the forums will be that we want to avoid flame wars, but we do want people calling others out. Don’t make it personal, but make it pungent.

  • Lifer

    honestly the only aspect of UFC that could possibly become oversaturated is Mike Goldberg speaking english.

  • Lifer

    also can I be a moderator of the forums? i’ll only allow pro-cummo content.

  • Accomando

    Goldberg rules, he doesn’t get enough praise here. His quotes and the way he delivers them has given me so many laughs. Goldy needs a post here devoted to him. His quotes are too numerous and awesome to fit into 1 post though….

    The Excitement…
    “…WOW, that dude is Violent…”

    The Vomiting up of something he heard once…
    “…Rich has got good head movement; comes in at good angles…”

    The Fark-ups….
    “…My, ugh, tongue, ugh, ha, oh, he adie, ugh, huh, ya, wow, what a fight..”

    The trademark w/ a fist-pump…
    “…In the octogon…”

    Man, I am guaranteed to laugh everytime Goldy calls the fights, its the bomb.

  • kentyman

    I like how he has multiple ways of introducing the announcer:

    1. “And now the veteran voice of The Octagon… here’s Bruce Buffer.”

    2. “And now the veteran voice of The Octagon…Bruce BUFFer.”

    3. “And now the veteran voice of The Octagon (brucebuffer).”

  • Accomando

    # 3 is my fave.

  • Swedish guy

    I actually like goldberg, but still I agree with all your points here (subtle and accurate observation, kentyman). I don’t like him because he’s good — no, I like him because he keeps sounding excited and that’s what I need. I hate watching a show and the commentators are all sounding sleepy, I wanna get the adrenaline pumping and somehow Goldberg manages to do that just by sounding excited himself.

  • pauli

    it is my sincere hope that one day, goldberg’s on screen presence will be replaced by a googly eyed muppet.

  • Asa

    it is now

  • Accomando

    My favorite transgression that Goldy had was the like 3 times during a slow motion replay when he incorrectly points out at what point in time Gonzaga’s nose got smashed by Couture…..

    [they replay the initial punch thrown by Couture]

    Goldy: “…Oh, right there Joe, you saw his nose explode..”
    Joe: “…No, I think it was when he was slammed by Couture..”

    [they show a takedown or something, either way, it isn’t the slam]

    Goldy: “..Yep, there it is, you might be right Joe…”

    Joe: “…No, it was when they were against the fence…”

    Then they finally showed the slam that broke Gonzaga’s nose. I probably replayed that a dozen times and it was hillrious everytime.

  • kentyman

    Nowadays, I feel like Goldy is so predictable that he could be replaced by a robot:

    And let’s see if The Octagon veteran can stop the meteoric rise of the [Fighter1.Nickname].

    Now we go to the tale of the tape brought to you by [CurrentHorrorMovie].

    The young [Fighter1.Name] is [Fighter1.Height – Fighter2.Height] inches taller than the [Fighter2.Age – Fighter1.Age] year elder [Fighter2.Nationality], and will enjoy a definitive reach advantage.

    Everything else… is virtually… identical.

  • fightlinker

    hehe, so true. We should do a Goldy adlib or something

  • Mobb Deep

    What if someone from the Luke Cummo forums stumbles along into the FL forum, we can flame away then right?

  • Accomando

    And let’s see if The Octagon veteran can stop the meteoric rise of the Barncat.

    Now we go to the tale of the tape brought to you by….The Pirates Who Don’t Do Anything: A VeggieTales Movie

    The young Tandem is gay and 2 inches taller than Luke Cummo, who is 1 year elder and gay, and will enjoy a definitive reach advantage.

    Everything else… is virtually… identical.

  • kentyman


  • Accomando

    Thanks for the final touch, just the way I like it!

  • Da Pit

    i cant stand it when i go to buy a new released UFC and its right next to (or hiding behind) WWE shit! then people walking buy thinking im some kinda fag for looking through WWE shit! WWE should not be under sports it should be under soap opra’s!!!