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Kenny Florian can’t get a break

Kenny Florian is a great, world class fighter.  I really disagreed with Dana (SHOCKER!) when he took a shit on Kenny following the Maynard fight.  Take a quick gander at the last seven fights Florian has been involved in:

Gray Maynard (loss)

Takanori Gomi (win)

Clay Guida (win)

BJ Penn (loss)

Joe Stevenson (win)

Roger Huerta (win)

Joe Lauzon (win)

Maynard is undefeated, Gomi and Guida have looked great since those fights, BJ Penn was the baddest motherfucker on the planet at 155 for a long time (no matter what some propaganda writers might want you to believe), Huerta is still every MMA fan’s secret boyfriend (sorry, Lytle) and Lauzon is apparently a fight away from a title shot.  The closest thing to a tune up fight on that list is Guida, and that’s a pretty shitty tune up fight.  Maybe, at long last, the guy’s earned an easy paycheck, possible SOTN bonus and a chance to work on his Goddamn takedown defense against a patsy.

Not so much, apparently, as MMA Fighting types up Florian’s announcement of a bout agreement with Evan Dunham on last night’s MMA Live all purty like.  Before everyone starts crying and bitching about how Dunham won the Sherk fight anyway, just acknowledge that the first and third were definitive and the second was close and I won’t have to doubt humanity any more than I already do.  However you feel about that decision, Dunham’s sure as hell being treated like he won.  I’m actually really interested to see what they do with Sherk… is Gomi/Guida official yet, or can we put either of them in there?

  • frickshun

    I fully expected Dunham to move forward & Sherk’s next fight will be lateral.

  • glassjawsh

    this of course conveniently forgets that florians 7 UFC fights before that list were Din Thomas, Alvin Robinson Dokojonosuke Mishima, Sean Sherk, Sam Stout, Kit Cope and Alex Karalexis. Not exactly a murderers row. KenFlo has had his share of cupcakes and would probably be insulted by being matched against the Mark Bocek’s of the world

  • subo

    So his first seven fights included Sean Sherk and Sam Stout, and his last seven have been absolutely insane. He’d murder Bocek. Florian is a really, really, really good lightweight. He’d tool Melendez, Aoki or JZ. TOOL them.

  • Nachtfalter

    Subo, I like you and all, but if you think the Sherk/Dunham fight was even remotely close, you should go get your brain and your eyes checked. Because something ain’t working right. Sherk won the first round, no one is disputing that, but the other two rounds Dunham completely kicked his ass. There’s no two ways about that.

    But on topic, it’s a great fight to make. Dunham deserves another world-class opponent and I don’t think Florian would even want any soft rebound fights. Plus, neither Kenny nor Evan are usually in boring fights, so I’m expecting a close, competitive, action-packed fight that could go either way. What else could anyone ask for?

  • subo

    I think that second round was insanely close. I had the striking edge for Dunham and the grappling edge for Sherk (honestly, doesn’t a guy get any points for having awesome submission defense/escapes? If we give the failed attempt points, why not the successful defense?). Sherk landed a good amount of punches in that fight because Dunham didn’t stay out of his range, opting instead to finish. Awesome fight by Evan, but I gave the first two rounds to Sherk.

  • Tanhauser

    Kenny is overrated.

    Fuck that guy.

  • subo

    Kenny Florian would destroy (insert any non-UFC LW)


    Saying you get points for escaping near submissions is like saying you get points for almost getting knocked out. If you were at a bar and you saw that same fight you would say that short guy got his ass kicked. Isn’t that how fights should be scored?

    Anyways, I think kenny is a great fighter as well. He just will never be a champion, or be able to beat the top 3-ish.

    I think guys like melendez, alverez, josh tompson, kawajiri, that other good asian wreslter, etc would give him trouble. Hell KJ would do the job too.

  • glassjawsh

    the only non ufc LW that would give kenny problems is melendez because he is a huge wrestler (when he wants to be). KenFlo would punk kawajiri gomi style, stomp aoki like melendez did, and crush the brutally overrated eddie alvarez.

    josh thomson MIGHT give him a decent fight

  • Tanhauser

    Nah son, he’s slipping.

    He’ll be full time at MMA live in a year or two.

  • P W

    What’s up with the double spacing between sentences?

  • Grappo

    He had 2 tune-up fights after the BJ loss; Gomi & Guida. They may have been looking better SINCE their fights with Kenny, but they looked kinda crummy before, and during the Florian fights. I’m not even sure Gomi has looked much better since. His style was just a better match for Tyson’s (and Griffin took him fucking lightly).

    Nobody wants to see Florian fight a can, including/especially Florian. Perennial UFC contenders should never fight patsies.


    Alverez is overrated? I didn’t know he was ranked highly. I think kawajiri would give him a run for his money as well.

    Oh and i liked kenny’s style before his loss to bj, his stance is wider and he just isnt as appealing.

  • Nachtfalter

    Not to take this too far off-topic, but… Ah, who cares, Fightlinker discussions don’t have to be linear!

    Subo, are you honestly saying that if a guy goes for multiple submissions and the other guy barely manages to survive, the guy who managed to not get killed wins the round, somehow? I’m sorry, but that’s insane. If scoring worked that way, why would you ever, ever, ever go for a submission? At best, a well-defended submission-attempt is a zero-sum game. If the attempts are as close as Dunhams appeared to be, I’d certainly give the offensive guy the edge. But never, ever, ever can you give more points for defending a submission than for attempting one. By that logic, if a guy throws a thousand punches my way and I manage to defend myself well enough to not get knocked out cold, I should win that round. Insane. Evan Dunham clearly outgrappled Sherk in that 2nd round.

    Effective Striking, Grappling, Aggression and Octacon control. All four were in favour of Dunham pretty clearly in my opinion. Maybe I need to rewatch the fight again, but I thought the second round was closer to being 10-8 Dunham than to being 10-10 or 10-9 Sherk. I didn’t score it 10-8 at any point, but I think that would have been more reasonable than scoring it for Sherk.

    BTW, I agree that Kenny Florian would beat pretty much everybody not signed with the UFC at this point. Aoki would get knocked out pretty effortlessly, I think Melendez wouldn’t be able to take him down (he’s very good, but his wrestling is extremely overrated) and probably lose a decision. Alvarez and Kawajiri would be the toughest ones in my opinion because of their wrestling, but neither of them is Gray Maynard. I’d still pick Kenny against both of them.

  • mamoru

    Florian/Dunham is an awesome fight.

    And if you think Sherk won round 2 you’re on crack, because Dunham beat that ass.
    Effective striking > effective grappling > aggression > octagon control.
    It’s pretty simple, really.

  • subo

    ^ Really, where does that rubric appear in the Unified Rules? Also, if you are the slightly better striker for 3 minutes and the other guy has your back for two, who wins? Judgment calls galore in this here fight business.

    Also, Sherk fucking cranked Dunham a couple of times in the second.

  • mamoru

    “(c) Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense.

    (d) Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques appear in (c) above, giving the most weight in scoring to effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and effective aggressiveness and defense.”

    You should read them some time.