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Shogun misses stomping the crap out of people

After getting the bejesus beaten out of him by someone with a more diverse arsenal of weapons, Shogun pines for the days when his beloved foot stomps were legal:

Former Pride star Shogun has spent the majority of his career in competitions permitting stomps, and he is a huge advocate of that particular weapon.

“I hope for a change in rules. The stomps… my opinion is elbows are more dangerous than stomps.”

Asked directly if he would like the UFC to make stomps legal, Shogun answered: “Yes!”

I dunno, I think I’d rather not have a situation where someone’s head explodes under Shogun’s foot during a pay per view. We all know stomps were the butter on Shogun’s bread, but so what? I’m sure a lot of oldschool fighters really enjoyed punching people in the neck and spine too. I’m as crazy bloodthirsty as the next fan, but I think the sport took a step in the right direction when we decided people’s faces aren’t soccer balls or appropriate parking for Brazilian 10-and-a-halfs.

  • DJ ThunderElbows

    If you can do it to someone who’s standing, you should be able to do it to someone on the ground.

  • Symbul

    I really don’t think it’s a seriously dangerous thing, considering the context of MMA. However, it’s a strong visual message for people who oppose the sport as too brutal to latch onto.

  • Letibleu

    I feel like a ratard asking but what is parking for Brazilian 10-and-a-halfs? It flew right over my head.

  • Komodo

    ^^ I think 10½’s is a shoe size reference.

  • Grappo


     I’m for stomps, but I know it will never happen in the UFC.  I’m also for cage-grabbing, shorts-grabbing,  downward elbows, kneeing downed opponents, titty twisters, and pressure points.  I’m not so keen on soccer kicks, and LEGIT back of the head/rabbit punches (not this slightly behind the ear B-O-T-H shot bullshit) but a big yes on the stomps.

  • glassjawsh

    id let a 10 and half from brazil sit on my face any time!

  • Letibleu

    That’s pedophile words no?

  • SST

    Wrestler need to be taught a lesson.

  • Redping

    if you could knee to the head on the ground, GSP would finish ALL of his fights by just getting side control. Side control would be the new kill-position for wrestlers. Personally, i think its just a visual thing. While a kick to the head can hurt if you’re stationary, it’s also a possibility in a real fight, and it is one of those things where it looks a LOT worse than it is. Elbows are definitely much more dangerous, especially in the area of cuts. A soccer kick to the back of the head = a big no-no though, and that’s a big risk of happening by accident. But in terms of logical thinking, yeah they should be part of the sport. But they never will be, because the sport needs to try its hardest to stay mainstream – we will lose elbows soon, not gain soccer kicks

  • Smitler

    You people are tripping when you say stomps aren’t that dangerous.
    When people die in street fights it’s usually one of 4 reasons.
    Head hitting the floor after a KO.
    Multiple pile on.
    Any technique where the opponent is trapped between the strike and the floor is inherently more dangerous than a similar thing stood up because it takes away the ability to dissipate force by moving away from it.
    They are dangerous and they look bad.

  • Oontyex

    if there were heads getting exploded in pride then ye id accept what you’re saying… that didnt happen – why all the histerics about it?

  • DJ ThunderElbows

    Smitler:  While I actually do agree with you vis-a-vis Stomps I’m curious where you’re getting your numbers.  Or are you estimating based on seeing/hearing about shit going down.

    I’m more for kicks to the face from any position on the ground as opposed to stomps into said ground.  So I’m pro-soccer kick/up-kick, and knees.

    And banning elbows because of cuts is dumber than banning punches for the same reason.

  • Redping

    Smitler, you need to cool it and have a little dose of reality. Stomps have never caused any damage in the history of martial arts. I like that you tried to sound smart by saying ‘dissipate’ but it isn’t sitting with me buddy, there’s quite a lot of strikes that are legal in the ufc where you trap any opponents body and strike. GSP axe kicked a guy in the guts once, was that comparable to being beat up by multiple people? I really would like to hear you explain how stomps are less dangerous than elbows, considering you can do the same thing with an elbow and you’re much closer and more likely to land – look at Jon Jones breaking peoples face-bones in, shogun very rarely caused that much damage with his jump-over-guard-stomps

  • Redping

    and DJ, it’s more that cuts are LAME and i HATE them and they ruin good fights. To me it doesn’t feel like you win a fight if you just cut a guy. Like Chris leben vs kenflo on the show, or thiago alves vs chris lytle. At best, you don’t know what would really happen between the two, and at worst, the person who was losing the fight wins by landing 1 elbow that cuts the other guy

  • CRM_Stephen

    Shogun probably wouldn’t be here today to pine for the days of stomps if Jon Jones were allowed to stomp him.

  • lukustra

    agreed that getting rid of stomps was probably the right decision in making the sport more main stream. however, knees on the ground have to be made legal. its ruins the sport a little and gives wrestlers another dumb advantage. its bad enough that mma values takedowns so highly, no need to give them another dumb advantage. wrestlers would be much more weary of doing those launching desperate takedown attempts if the other fighter didnt fear launching a knee into their face without the possibility of being disqualified. plus if a fighter effecitively sprawled on a takedown attempt, he could knee the shit out of their head in the north south. also itd put a stop to that ridiculous clinch hand on the ground thing.

  • P W

    I’d rather see a dog impersonator in the cage than a turtle impersonator. What I mean by that is that I find it more ridiculous when guys turtle up because there is no risk of knees than butt-scooting.

  • Blackula Jonez

    Stomps and soccer kicks are just too brutal and artless imo, knees to the head while on the ground are okay though.


    When you can sprawl out of a double leg and blast a guy in the face with a knee, it will change the entier landscape of mma i think.

  • Smitler

    “why all the histerics about it?”

    No hysterics really, just trying to counter the point that they aren’t dangerous. Sapp piledrove (a word?) Big nog into the ring in Pride and through sheer luck didn’t cripple him. Doesn’t mean we should allow piledrivers. It’s about the potential. Stomps may not have badly injured someone in Pride but it wasn’t for want of trying. Keep them in MMA and I’m pretty sure it’d only be a matter of time before a jumping “Shogun” style stomp landed on a neck, windpipe or chest.

    “I’m curious where you’re getting your numbers. Or are you estimating based on seeing/hearing about shit going down.”

    I’ve been into martial arts for a few years and looked at HAOV (habitiual acts of violence) and attack statistics from all sorts of places. I’m still really estimating though. Fractured skulls resulting from stomps are a common cause (common in the context of GBH and ABH) of head trauma, blood clots etc. For sure a ring surface is more forgiving than a pavement (sidewalk in American) but I still think it’s a valid point.

    “I like that you tried to sound smart by saying ‘dissipate'”

    It is a real word you know. And I used it in the right way. If you think that’s smart then…well I dunno…maybe you need to up your game?
    That’s a joke by the way.

  • raizor

    It’s never gonna happen. Regardless of whether or not stomps are likely to seriously injure someone, they look really nasty to most people. To your average person watching someone getting stomped really helps fuel the ‘MMA is just barbaric’ mindset.

    Personally, I love stomps and knees to the head on the ground and would love to see them back :)

  • Oontyex

    stomps in the street are different , same as how – to my understanding – one of the most dangerous parts is people hitting their head on concrete when they get knocked down , not the actual hit itself

    the reason why we would look at the history is to get a sense of what certain things actually do, not what we might guess it might do – elbows may not look as brutal as stomps, but if it becomes apparent that they are more damaging, and your aim is to stop damage (which in itself is kinda weird, considering the sport is 2 people trying to make their opponent give up due to damage), then it would make sense to dissallow the actually damaging moves

    but yeh, again, two people go into a cage and fight – they get paid to do it, and we pay to watch it, if you want to be a tampon about people getting hurt – dont pay to watch a sport where thats their aim