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Since when are judges scoring draws???

Last night, the Swick/Burkman snoozefest went to a decision, and something seemed a bit odd about the scorecards: 29-28, 29-28, 29-29 in favor of Mike Swick. In other words, two judges gave it to Mike and one called it a draw.

A draw??? Here I was thinking the 10-point must system didn’t allow for tie rounds, but it turns out judges CAN score 10-10 rounds. They just rarely do.

I’m not going to say I disagree with the call … in fact, if there was ever a fight that deserved to be called a tie, then it was Swick vs Burkman. I’m just still in shock at the realization that for the past several years of my life I had no idea what the actual rules regarding this were.

I’m torn, though. On one hand, a lot of rounds in MMA truly do deserve to be called ties, but it opens a huge can of worms: no one wants to see a tie. And if all of a sudden the judging at UFC Fight Night reminds other judges they can just pass the buck and declare a tie on close fights, I have a feeling we’re gonna see a lot more.


    I’m glad to see you’re learning. This fight definitely did deserve to be a draw.

  • jaydog

    calling a draw is a good idea because it tells the fighters that they’re not going to get a win by trying not to lose. they have to earn it. of course, there will be fights that are really competitive and entertaining, but wind up being even (tavares/griffin).


    I think a draw is a good idea in cases where neither fighter deserves to lose, same as when neither fighter deserves to win. I don’t really understand the aversion to draws in the US.

  • cyphron

    If there’s a fight where both fighters deserve a tie, this is it. If you’re not going to fight to win, then you’re fighting to tie.

  • Fightlinker Jackal

    I completely agree. Right after I saw that fight I thought this DEFINITELY needed to be a tie. I know it might not be pleasamt to see ties on every card, but the truth is fairness should be the priority. I couldn’t see either fighter “dominanting” the other, or being more aggressive than the other, more damaging than the other. So yeah… it was a draw in my books.

  • Trol

    I was thinking the same thing, Fightlinker. I had to look it up for myself as well. They should call it the 10 point if we want to system or something.
    On one side I understand it because it gives a message to the Fighters to fight to win, not to fight not to lose. But on the other hand, I don’t like Judges awarding a Draw.

  • jackal-matt

    I like the 10-10’s. Then you get back to actually scoring for the entire fight. I also support more 10-8 rounds in MMA because if you go out there and beat that ass you deserve it. Then again, it gives people like cecil peoples more a chance to seriously fuck things up.

  • Big D D

    Sudden victory rounds please!…like TUF. Who wouldn’t want to see another round? well maybe not that fight, but I would have loved to see tito v rashad round four.

  • fightlinker

    Yeah ties going to an overtime round would be cool. But never gonna happen … shit is too solidified with athletic commisions. Some pencil pusher is gonna say they don’t think it’s a good idea, and that’ll be the end of it.

  • Fightlinker Jackal

    The more the decisions to be made, the more the fuck ups that could happen. It should be simple as possible.

    Do a Monster Jam kind of thing where you select three random fans to judge the fight as a whole :D

  • frickshun

    I scored it a draw, glad a lot of people saw it the same. Does anyone know what happens w/pay when it’s a draw? Is the win bonus withheld?

  • Fightlinker Jackal

    Interesting question. Since the bonuses are distributed at Zuffa’s discretion, I would assume they would reward both fighters if they put on a good show and vice versa.

  • fightlinker

    Well, you’ve got a win pay and then the locker room bonuses. The win pay isn’t a discretion thing, it’s in the contract. But I doubt either guy got anything on top of what was on paper for their shitty performance.

    I keep thinking it. Look at the guys who lose valiantly: Karo to Diego. Guida to Huerta. These are the stars of tommorow. Not these fuckfaces who are just trying to protect a record.

  • islandguy

    If a fight is really close then a draw is better than some kind of bullshit arbitrary winner..

    I really like the idea of a tiebreaker round to settle close fights.. but I guess the powers that be would say that is to much of a “human cockfighting” type of thing…

  • cyphron

    After three rounds of shittiness, you want to add another round of shittiness to determine who’s the least shittiest fighter? I’ll pass.

  • yenny

    With 5 rounds for all fights, you’re going to have lame fighters that make it look terrible, but it’s the fighters faults for being lame, not the system. Swick & Burkman was close, but it was a terrible fight. That said, I’d still rather see 5 rounds because there are a bunch of times, where it’s exciting and it’s still anybody’s fight after 3 rounds.

  • fightlinker

    It’d be interesting to see the stats on exciting decisions vs boring decisions.

  • yenny

    I’ll peruse the archives and find some good and terrible 3 rounders, and terrible 5 rounders.

  • Xavier

    I think more draws would be good, because it would penalize fighters from fighting too cautiously. More draws mean less win bonuses. If the judges called draws more liberally, you’d see far fewer of the boring “hanging on in hopes of the decision” third rounds.

  • karat3

    nelson hamilton is actually one of the few judges in mma who know their shit. I had it a draw aswell.

  • Atom

    No draws?

    I don’t know who did the judging in England, but one of them scored it 28-28.

    But now that i think about it, that doesn’t leave room for a 10-10 tie round.

  • Paul De Lio

    hey, i have never heard of a 10-10 round, they clearly state at the beginning of each ufc event the 10 point ruling system must have a 10 point winner with the opponent getting 9 or less, never says 10-10.

    and to the last guy… with the 28-28, if you have 10-8, 8-10, and 10-10

    that equals 28-28.

  • kentyman

    They clearly state “9 or less”, and they’re completely wrong. Look it up.