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UFC is up for deletion on Wikipedia

You might be surprised to learn that I am not a human encyclopedia of MMA knowledge. My brother actually does better than me when it comes to remembering who fought who at what UFC event, something I attribute to his steady diet of UFC Unleashed reruns. Personally, I turn to Wikipedia whenever I need to refresh my memory on how much Georges St Pierre got paid for his first UFC fight ($6000) or which fights were scrapped in 2011. I imagine a lot of you do the same.

But now the ability to check Wikipedia for that kind of information is being threatened. Some genius Wiki editors have decided that 27 UFC event pages a year represents MMA fancruft gone amuck on Wikipedia. So they’ve begun deleting UFC events and replacing them with incomplete and poorly laid out batch pages, dropping a ton of information in the process.

This wasn’t something the Wikipedia Admin Gods On High decided. It’s not something that was decided amongst the large body of editors and contributors that have made Wikipedia such an amazing resource for fans of the world’s fastest growing sport. It seems to be the work of three Wikipedia users who are hellbent on completely re-organizing all the MMA information on the site because they don’t feel it meets Wikipedia’s ‘notability’ standard.

Now let me be clear: Wikipedia has a boatload of guidelines that are pretty specific about notability, and most UFC events meet at least some of those guidelines. And there are other guidelines they don’t. Both sides have arguments based off the rules to back themselves up. But when it comes down to wiki dick swinging, the more obsessive the editor, the more likely they’re able to push their argument through. And right now a very small group of users is preparing to delete a very large amount of MMA information and history off of Wikipedia.

I wish at this point I had some Kony 2012 call to action that would let you know what we need to do to stop this from happening. Unfortunately, Wikipedia’s Byzantine and obtuse setup is so complicated you might as well learn a programming language instead. It’d be faster. If you want to see where the debate is being shaped, here’s the link to the discussion. It’s my hope that bringing this to light will alert people who know how to speak Anal Wiki Editor and get them to stop one of MMA’s greatest resources from being ruined.

  • agentsmith

    Fancruft is a term sometimes used in Wikipedia to imply that a selection of content is of importance only to a small population of enthusiastic fans of the subject in question.

    Isn’t that kinda what Wikipedia is for?  You think all the shit that was in encyclopedias was of interest to everyone?  And regardless, it’s not like UFC fans are a tiny little subculture anymore.

  • Reverend Clint

    its a plot by the cunt culinary union

  • Rye
  • Reverend Clint

    just went to a few wiki pages involving MMA and nothing. No the pages are still there but no mention of them being deleted except for cards that havent happened yet

  • frickshun

    ^^Don’t know what that link is but if it gives BE a page hit, I ain’t clicking.

  • frickshun

    Also, I got a headache 2 paragraphs into the Wiki link. I never realized people outside of FL didn’t care about EVERY. SINGLE. UFC. EVENT. What the fuck is wrong w/people??? Buncha baby rapers….

  • Reverend Clint

    i just clicked it again just for you frick

  • agentsmith

    They’ve been doing this with the Bellator events for awhile, consolidating each “season” into a single article, which makes sense.  But not so much when you’re talking all the UFC events for an entire year thrown into one super fucking long article.  I don’t mind them putting each fight card into a proper chart though.

  • Reverend Clint

    the UFC 2012 page is actually quite useful since it consolidated all the random rumors on one page

  • Rob

    They already did this shit with kickboxing, sad to see it happen to MMA too.

  • theinsaneoneJustinMcCully

    I don’t care about the event pages, but I like the fighter pages.


    Hi, its good paragraph on the topic of media print, we all understand media is a impressive source of facts.

  • Blackula Jonez

    They should just break them down into the events in a calender year.

    Similar to bellators season model.
    Have info about original cards, injury replacements and stuff along those lines, but whole wiki’s for new events is a bit much. How do I vote or give my opinion on this?

  • GluteusMaximus

    Go figure the Irishman has 25 brothers!

  • iamphoenix

    Hi, its good paragraph on the topic of media print, we all understand media is a impressive source of facts. Facts are good for you. Sometimes facts make people happy. Kids like facts. Facts like kids. Puddle jumping indians. 

  • mamoru

    I hope this whole incidents makes someone in the MMA community step the fuck up and make a proper wiki specifically for mma. That way we can have articles for every TPF event and shit and not have to deal with WPs insane policies.

    Oh, and hopefully it’ll be a relational wiki and not just a flat one like WP, would love to get one with a proper data API and everything.

    And we could just copy the event data from wp as it’s all open anyways.

  • Gendengin

    Leela beloved,The case of women ciourmcisicn is an interesting example of cultural norms and liberal perspectives. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion and ultimately rejecting a specific cultural practice based on one’s take. for example Bush’s war to bring democracy to Iraq. In the place that we live in we it is inconceivable that someone might prefer a different kind of regime or that someone might have values that trump the perception of freedom that comes with what we conceive to be a democracy. however, it is a judgement that is better executed after we know about the core values and the priorities of the Iraqi people, of whatever culture we think that we should enforce our own worldview on. Female ciourmcisicn is probably (along perhaps with female infanticide ) one of the most visceral propositions that encounter immediate disgust and rejection among the like of us (me included). But it is a custom that exists in many societies none of which a society that do not have the equivalent practice for men. Genetile modification in most of these societies is also reflecting a perception of body and pureness, a tradition that has its own history and values that goes well beyond the shallow, two-dimensional portrayals of the ritual in the West- a mutilation of the female to enhance male dominance and horrific control over women’s legitimate sexual urges. Which brings us back to the question of how do we pass judgement on practices of other cultures? For myself, I’m not a cultural absolutist (meaning I don’t think that one can not pass such judgements) I believe that one needs to learn enough about such practices from an emic perspective (meaning one should learn about the practice from an “insider” point-of-view) that reflects real learning rather than the common media or other outsider portrayals. Take for example female ciourmcisicn. This is a practice common in many African countries, in some of the East Africa states it involves upward of 90% of the women. In the vast majority of the practices (which by the way vary considerably between different communities) the practice does not involve the removal of any organ (clit or lips) and in many of the societies it involves a single incision to the lips which heals quite fast and leaves no lasting effects. In many of the societies the women are responsible for the execution of the practice in a form of a rite of passage to adulthood , and this practice is more symbolic than surgical. There are many incidents of horrifying examples of this practice which make my skin crawl and the stomach turn. There are many other indications of pride in the practice as many believe it reflects some of the core values that they hold dearly. A Somalian women who lived in the US since childhood, decided to go back to Somalia and have this practice done following her graduation from Harvard. For her it meant very different thing than for many of the girls who are forced to go through that by force or by social pressure (in some societies one cannot marry unless she had that done). Before we condone (or reject for that matter) this practice (and other) we should learn about the actual details- How does it effect most women who experience that, socially, psychologically, and physically. One would actually find hardly any systematic scientific accounts for that phenomenon. We should learn how this practice is carried out and by whom. Sensational portrayals and selective accounts can hardly be considered a legitimate basis for passing judgement on an entrenched cultural practice. At the end we can still have an opinion on that (which would likely be more nuanced and informed) and hold on to our own core values in a way that suggest the universalism of them- there are no good cultural specific basis to perform act X regardless of the local cultural values. But through this process we might just learn about the other from eye level and not from a perspective filled with underlying tones of the superiority that so many of us Westerns still experience implicitly when we look at “primitive” cultural practices which we know so little about. Just a thought

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