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Why Lyoto Machida sucks

We drew tons of flack from our comments on Lyoto Machida during the post-event radio show, and I just wanted to clarify them a bit now that I’m no longer drunk. A lot of people are falling in line with the hype machine, saying that Machida is “elusive” and “confounding” like that’s something we should give him props for. No one wants to be called an “ignorant   fan”, so rather than call a spade a spade they’re nodding and agreeing that Machida is simply amazing. And while he might be good at what he does, he still fucking sucks. And here’s why:

Simply put, actively keeping a fight from happening and then winning on two or three exchanges is bullshit. Let’s look at this in terms of another sport: Imagine there was a basketball team out there that decided to play the game in a completely different way. They set up a system where they completely stifle all offense, and win the game 7-3. While you can be impressed at the team’s amazing defense and their ability to completely neutralize all play, is that really something that should be applauded?

The sport of MMA has been evolving for a while now. Back in the day, Brazilian jiu jitsu guys would come in and tool everyone until people picked up enough to counter it. Then came the wrestlers, who used their takedowns and control to win matches. Thank god that period of time, also known as ‘the era of lay n pray’, is mostly over. It sickened me to see those fucks win decision matches over and over. Now we’ve got Machida, who’s style is all about not engaging and winning on the rare exchanges he allows.

The good news is that sooner or later, someone is going to figure out Machida’s style and he’s going to get smashed, just like the one dimensional BJJ guys and wrestlers of yore. The bad news is I don’t know if it’s going to be this year or next year or a few years from now. The era of lay and pray lasted a pretty long fucking time, and quite a few fighters jumped on that bandwagon before the wheels came off. So is this what we have to look forward to in MMA? More guys like Machida dragging out fights with their ‘elusive’ skills? I might have to put up with it, but I’m not going to like it. And I’m certainly not going to give props to one of the guys at the forefront of the trend.

  • ekc

    Lyoto is the San Antonio Spurs of MMA… they keep winning and the ratings suck no matter what.

  • http://www.total-mma.com Iain

    I don’t see how Machida is one-dimensional when he has proven skills in striking, submission and largely avoiding being taken down.

  • http://www.mma-analyst.com Leland Roling

    I had a conversation with another writer who had a similar view, and I had to say this… the goal of combative sports in general is to hit, but never be hit. Boxing matches usually go to the guy who lands more punches if a decision happens, and it would be beneficial to avoid strikes. Same for MMA, but you’re view is that Machida wins two or three exchanges and then eludes danger for the rest of the fight. The fact of the matter is that his opponents still do not take enough chances against him, and Machida still works leg kicks and double kicks effectively for points. He’s a karate style fighter, and karate is mostly based on a point system. Do I believe he should go for the win instead of pointing? Of course, but he picks his chances.

    I’m not sure how you can fault Machida’s style in his recent matchup. He went for the win after the crippling knee, but Tito was able to at least stop that attempt. He worked head kicks multiple times, and definitely won more than 2 or 3 exchanges. He worked David Heath like he was a C-level fighter, Soko looked as if he didn’t know what he was dealing with and was finished by Machida, Nakamura lost almost every exchange, and you can’t really fault him for decisioning a dangerous BJ Penn at 205 or waiting for Rich Franklin to attack in his fights.

    Give me a break. Hardcore fans are mostly the crowd that appreciates his style of being a tactician in the cage, and overall goal of his style is to avoid strikes while picking his shots. His opponents need to do some homework obviously. I’ve been growing tired of hearing this viewpoint, but I understand the opinion that people want to see action.

  • crs

    If I was forced to fight in a MMA fight, I sure as hell wouldn’t want to get hit so I’d be elusive. But Machida and the other either standing or ground fighting “elusives” knew what they were getting into and should be okay with taking some punishment to give punishment. We’re paying MMA fighters salaries (well, the honest folks who don’t download the shows from torrents….) so we should be entertained for our 50 bucks a month. Guys doing just enough to win don’t entertain anybody and should be fired for being pussies. Accept danger or find another job. Or at the very least don’t call yourself a Samurai and not fight like a warrior.

    But I will say the UFC is partially responsible for “doing just enough to win” by telling fighters 2 losses in a row means they’re automatically fired instead of who puts on an entertaining fight. I’d rather see a fighter who gets his ass kicked every time out but entertains like Shoji than a coward like Koscheck.

  • Jeremy (not that Jeremy)

    Apparently you haven’t been watching any of the Celtics games in the playoffs this year.

    You may not like it, and you’re entitled to your opinion, but I’m becoming a pretty big Machida fan here. He’s only got 13 pro fights so far, and he improves with every UFC outing.

  • http://www.mma-analyst.com Leland Roling

    And the one-dimensional line is absurd…

  • Gong

    I love that guy. Now if he could just cut the samurai warrior bullshit.

  • http://www.tardhard.com clint notestine

    Maybe if Tito wasn’t a one dimensional wrestler he could have cornered Machida but since Tito sucks he lost.

  • crs

    Also, I’m sick of the “we’re real fans so we appreciate strategy!” bullshit Machida apologists are using. I’ve watched MMA since UFC 6, still watched during the satellite-only days and followed PRIDE since their super Grand Prix. I’m not a real fan? I respect ballsy fighters. Always have and always will. I also liked guys like Gatti in boxing way more than Mayweather.

  • smoogleton

    “keep a fight from happening”, LOL. Just keep watching MMA Fightlinker, eventually you’ll understand the intricacies involved

  • garth

    we’re still leaving out the soku fight. there wasn’t much avoidance going on there.
    the guy’s a good fighter. i based that on my own analysis. not what anyone told me. he’s going to be a bitch to beat.

  • http://ninjashoes.net RT

    I dont see how you can fault a guy for winning fights decisively all while never taking damage. He has kicked the shit out of the majority of his opponents and damn near finished Tito twice. Its not the most exciting style but is definitely a winning one.

  • crs

    Okay, question: How many of you like Tim Sylvia. And if you don’t, explain why he’s different from Machida.

  • Bling Crosby

    crs hit the nail on the head. Tim Sylvia is a tactician and though he fights differently than Machida, it’s the same principle: Hit them without getting hit. I’ll give these guys their due for being great fighters but I’ll be damned if I have to enjoy their fights. No, I don’t want to see just knockouts and no, I didn’t start wathing MMA last week. Oh, and for the record, I liked the fight against Soko because Machida actually engaged him and looked for the finish.

  • el feo XIII

    “Lyoto is the San Antonio Spurs of MMA”

    Spurs are MUCH worse.

  • http://www.mmafrog.com Tertio

    Not a huge machida fan but i did find this fight entertaining. The takedown and beating that followed at the end of the first round was sick. Tito is lucky the round was over. Machida had both arms trapped and was beating the shit out of Ortiz.

    Second round was so-so and the end of the third was completely nuts.

    I think all in all it was a pretty good fight.

  • Otoniel

    I can think of at least two things that would help in this regard. A ring, and yellow cards. RIP.

  • http://ufc-fights.com russ

    he’s a boring bastard…. i thought machia was smart but boring as hell, you’re right when you say it looks shite to watch bc it does. he did the job but at the expense of Tito Ortiz who just got pissed at the way he did it, hard to watch, don’t want to see this guy win another fight bc he’s really not good.

  • bruceleesreincarnation

    Man i really love the fightlinker site and shout your praises regularly and will continue to do so but you’re way off on this one. I can understand why some people may not appreciate his style but what he does and what Kalib Starnes did in his fight are polar opposites. Machida is still offensive while being elusive. I don’t even consider him a counterstriker. What he does is he WINS. He is elusive that’s all there is to it. It’s not a bandwagon it’s just a fact. The bandwagon is to say he is boring. There are many styles of fighting. And while Lyoto may be elusive and pick his opponent apart he knows when the right time is to attack and when he wounded his animal he jumped on it and finished it. NO decision. No wondering. He finished it. I’m a fan.

  • crs

    I think the major problem is using Tito Ortiz as support for a guy who looks to finish fights. His last finishes were against Grandpa Shamrock and a lucky takedown KO against Tanner, right? When Machida pulls this shit against Wanderlei or Chuck, I think you’ll have many more people on your side, guys.

  • Gong

    “and though he fights differently than Machida”

    Therein lies the problem. You can argue that Liddell, Sylvia, Machida and Okami are all elusive counterpunching tacticians, but they all have varying styles that really makes all the difference in the world.

  • godzillad

    ”The fact of the matter is that his opponents still do not take enough chances against him…”

    And with that you make it obvious how ignorant you are. David Heath RAN at Machida throwing haymakers . The guy was like the Tazmanian Devil. He just kept backing up.

    You guys hit it on the head though, people are just calling him great so they don’t seem like TUF noobs to the other TUF noobs. Lemmings. Everyone.

  • Fightlinker Jackal

    I am in fact buying into the hype and becoming a pretty big fan of Machida. Just because he has an amazing ability of avoiding strikes, is not his fault. I do find it troublesome just thinking of another counter-striker going against Machida… snooze fest.

  • godzillad

    ”’can’t really fault him for decisioning a dangerous BJ Penn at 205”’

    That fight was at Heavyweight. BJ Penn came in at 87kg, Machida at 99.

  • Stealing from the Undergroun

    I am stealing this from a post on the underground, but Machidam style has been named the HIDE AND SLIDE. It is the standing version of the Lay and Pray.

  • crs

    I also don’t want to see any of you bash Mike Goldberg or Joe Rogan as too stupid for MMA commentators since they’ve obviously infected your brains. Well, okay, keep bashing Goldberg because he’s a worthless sack of shit, but no more “Joe Rogan is a wannabe MMA fighter who doesn’t know what he’s talking about!” You are his (elusive) parrots today. Maybe he’ll convince you Josh Koscheck isn’t a 1D pussy in his next fight.

  • Houston “Glass Jaw” Alexander

    Say what you guys will, but Fightlinker is just plain wrong here. Machida prevented Tito from executing his game plan. You call it boring or avoiding a fight, you are wrong. He was avoiding Tito’s fight and bringing his own fight. You call it two or three combinations. If round 1 had been 30 seconds longer it would have been Machida wins via TKO round 1.

  • Dave D

    Wasn’t Kalib Starnes the originator of the Hide and Slide or Hit and Run technique? The only problem is that he just wasn’t as good at it as Lyoto. Just as people have good/bad ground and pound, Machida has the best Hide and Slide or Hit and Run in MMA.

  • http://www.edenmachine.com EdenMachine

    Lyoto Machinda is Chuck Liddel… if Chuck was favoring two broken hands… and wrists… and forearms… and elbows… and partied all night the day before the fight.

  • godzillad

    ”…and partied all night the day before the fight”

    Chuck was infamously out until 6 AM the morning of the Babalu rematch.

  • Zurich

    Fightlinker is Wrong… and by Wrong, I mean incorrect in his assessment of Machida. That double switch-kick was wicked.

  • sanantonio

    If I’m in the cage I’m going to fight like Machida fuck getting hit to entertain you bastards. If thats your idea of entertainment watching someone get their brains beat in then go to a bar have a few then get in a fight and have fun. I thought he fought a very tactical and smart fight and he was engaging Tito enough to get his attention. Every time he flinched at Tito he would cover up like a lil bytch so apparently he was touching that face from time to time. Saw Tito say after the 2nd that he was running so I’m thinking then why not just rush him, reason he didn’t was because he would have got his azz handed to him lol. Granted Machidas style ain’t for everybody but if it wins and leaves him unscathed don’t know how you can fault it. Like I said I wouldn’t be risking my health to entertain the few mindless mma fans out there either.

  • http://www.edenmachine.com EdenMachine

    If Tito had just stood in the middle of the ring and waited – it would have been a tie. Tito’s a puss but Lyoto is a puss times 100. I’ll never watch another Lyoto PPV card. I’m the biggest UFC / Dana apologist there is but if Lyoto’s on another card I’ll start watching IFL (which is the worst) from now on instead and just learn to love it. =\

  • Elfenstein

    fightlinker you are so way off base u are playing the wrong field on this one .. get a grip and try watching the fights sober.

  • http://www.edenmachine.com EdenMachine

    Wandy vs Machida so we can knock this guy out of the spotlight for good and expose him for the bitch he is!!

  • Dino

    Ok if Machida is great at avoiding hit, which is true, then what is his offensive strategy.A few love tap, leg kicks….come on guys, do you want this guy as a possible champ…Ask yourself…..

  • http://www.edenmachine.com EdenMachine

    Fightlinker, I hope all these Machida-defending-bitches get what they wish for and every effing fight in the UFC ends up being like the Machida-Tito fight. UFC would go down in flames after to PPV cards like that. NO ONE would watch MMA anymore. If Machida is “bad ass” why didn’t he get “fight of the night”? Why hasn’t he EVER gotten “fight of the night”?? PUSSIES!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ninjitsu

    I’m gonna laugh my ass off at you Machida fans once he wins the belt via decision and starts headlining some PPVs. You want to pay $50 to watch him backpedal and throw weak kicks for 25 minutes?

  • ninjitsu

    Hah, I want a new post discussing the correlation between the Ipecac bet and the Machida love.

  • Mark

    Machida is going to have to fight every 205 pounder in the UFC before he gets a title shot. To me it seems like his “elusive” style more than anything just slows the fights down. People apologize for him because he gets in there and engages maybe twice a round, but really you get about a round of action in a three round fight. It’s boring. He is a good fighter, but he needs to engage. His elusiveness just seems to slow everything down to me, doesn’t really give him the sort of tactical advantage people talk about.

  • Johnny

    I get your argument. Machida’s style is an innovation in MMA, and is to MMA what the trap defense was to hockey: boring and impenetrable. And it’s stacking up the wins for Machida because no one has found a way to beat him at it yet. Sure, that’s one way to look at it.

    But I understand Machida’s style in boxing terms. Wikipedia:

    “A classic ‘boxer’ (also known as an ‘out-fighter’) seeks to maintain distance between himself and his opponent, fighting with faster, longer range punches, most notably the jab, gradually wearing their opponent down. Due to this reliance on weaker punches, out-fighters tend to win by point decisions rather than by knockout, though some out-fighters (such as Lennox Lewis) have notable knockout records.”

    In other words, float like a butterfly and sting like a bee. Lyoto’s striking style isn’t as innovative as you seem to think. Lots of “ignorant fans” like me enjoy the Muhammad Ali approach.

    And you don’t have to “figure out” Machida’s style to beat him, but you do have to clinch, dirty box, and grind, something most of his opponents have been unwilling to do – except Nakamura, who did it poorly. A 205-lbs Randy Couture in his prime beats Lyoto Machida almost 2:1, in my opinion.

    Lyoto was the only guy doing anything interesting in his bout with Tito. So go ahead and blame Machida for his opponents’ awful performances all you want. In the final tally, Tito’s game plan sucked, and Lyoto made him pay.

  • crs

    “If thats your idea of entertainment watching someone get their brains beat in then go to a bar have a few then get in a fight and have fun.”

    You know, you’re right. I’m sorry I thought the entire point of fighting was two guys hurting each other. And that when I paid for all the MMA PPVs I’ve viewed over the years it wasn’t to be entertained by action, it was to admire the non-action. For that I truly apologize.

    Seriously, if you all want light semi-fighting combat, then go watch point karate or BJJ tournaments instead of a sport where submissions and knock outs are encouraged. And flag football while you’re at it. Those NFL guys shouldn’t hurt each other like that. Why should you tackle?

  • smoogleton

    So crs, if Tito had been KO’d by that knee in the 3rd, you would shut the fuck up?

  • tubbs

    For me, watching 15 minutes of Machida frustrate the hell out of Tito was way more enjoyable than the 39 seconds I saw of Silva/Jardine…especially after paying $50 for that fight.

  • godzillad

    ”you do have to clinch, dirty box, and grind, something most of his opponents have been unwilling to do”

    OK That’s just straight stupid to say. You never see guys trying to escape the clinch or avoid it because nobody can even get close enough to clinch him.

  • Houston “Glass Jaw” Alexander

    Fightlinker calls machida the bitch for backing away from the fight, meanwhile fightlinker is too coward to drink the ipecac.

  • Johnny

    “That’s just straight stupid to say. . . . nobody can even get close enough to clinch [Machida].”

    Tito Ortiz did, to name just one example, in Round 3 of their fight, and he did more damage in that position than at any other time in their fight.

    Q.E.D.

  • fightfan

    Why do people keep hating on him????? I agree that he is boring, but no one blames his opponents for NOT “bringing it”. That is because they are scared to “bring it”. They know that if they get in range and stay there, they will get fucked up.

    So it is Machida’s fault??? I say no. You cant tell me Tito made more than a half ass effort to get into a stand up fight??? sure he made a few attempts, then QUICKLY retreated. No one calls Liddell out for waiting to counter.

    I think Machida will get some knockouts, WHEN he picks up another win or 2. That is the point, people dont want to get knocked out by a boring ass fighter. Like Liddell, people do go after him, because KO someone like Liddell would boost their reputation greatly. KO’ing Lyoto would do hardly nothing, so that is why I dont think people go after him like they do Liddell.

    Wait until Lyoto gets some popularity or wins…..THEN people will want to KO and go after him more, therefore making Lyoto look even better when he beats the piss out of them

  • demonianray

    I don’t say Machida is the most exciting guy in the UFC, but I enjoy his style and I feel excited watching that kind of fighter, ’cause he just nullifies all the offense, he barely gets hit, he doesn’t block and he doesn’t need to, and he does that without looking like his running away, the ppl who think that are not watching the fight in the right way.

    Tito barely did any offense, where were the takedowns??? Uhh? one or two, that was the only thing he could do???
    Machida picked him apart with his style, if Tito would have push more, I’m surely that Machida would have put a more exciting fight, like the Soko fight. The Triangle was nice and very close, but the talent and skills of Machida can’t be overlooked, he got out from a very tight submissions, plus he was gassed, and that he has to change. Adding questionable tank to a elusive (boring to some) style will not make him last there in the ufc, unfortunately.

  • Dave D

    “cause he just nullifies all the offense, he barely gets hit, he doesn’t block and he doesn’t need to”

    Isn’t this just lay and pray on the feet. It has been dubbed Hide and Slide or Hit and Run.

  • Johnny

    “It has been dubbed Hide and Slide or Hit and Run.”

    And also “float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.”

    Pick your bias.

  • fightfan

    And someone also said that it would of been a tie if Tito would of stopped and just stayed in teh middle of the octagon.

    That is even more ridiculis. If Tito would of pulled a stunt like that Lyoto would of attacked and made tito wish he didnt do that? Why do you think tito DIDNT do that? If he REALLY wanted to get into a STAND UP war, he would of just stopped, put his arms on his waist and gestured with his hands like come and get it. If he would of Lyoto would of smashed him. Why do you think that Tito DIDNT do that?? He knew better.

    People want to fault Lyoto for not being stupid and taking big risks.

  • demonianray

    Dave D you got owned, machida prefers dodging over blocking same thing that the Great Muhammad Ali did, but it’s like I always said, some fans just want a bloodfest, they don’t see the all around picture, all the angles, they close their preferences to ko’s or subs. Do u wanna see a boring fight, watch the Jordan/Gonzaga fight. Everytime I see a comparison between Machida/Starnes or Lay n’pray and Machida’s style it makes me throw up the ignorance of people regrding MMA.

  • demonianray

    Another thing, why the fuck ppl complain about the friggin ppv price and demand that the fighters fight in a specific manner ??? I can understand that is not cheap, but if u know such fights may happen, dont buy the friggin ppv, no one is pointing a gun to ur head to buy the fucking ppv. Watch it the next day on the internet nad stop bitching.

  • godzillad

    Jesus Christ, are you guys actually blaming Machida’s opponents for his boring style? What the hell? Is this Sherdog.net?

  • godzillad

    ”’If he REALLY wanted to get into a STAND UP war, he would of just stopped, put his arms on his waist and gestured with his hands like come and get it. If he would of Lyoto would of smashed him. Why do you think that Tito DIDNT do that??”’

    Sorry Fightlinker, your site is now so big the trolls are targeting it. Which means the legit posters will stop posting. Damn.

  • Dave D

    Owned? really? I am sorry. I apologize. [sarcasm] The problem with calling what Machida did ‘sting like a bee’ is did it really sting? Other than the knee to the body, did any of those strikes hurt Tito. I have no problem with counter punchers, but there should be some power behind the strikes.

    I never said Machida wasn’t any good or won’t win against some top competition. What I am saying is that I have no interest in seeing someone fight who is not interested in finishing the fight. I have the same contempt for those who lay and pray as those who hide and slide. People rave about the switch kick, but does anyone really think that would have ended the fight.

    And I don’t know what basis you have for calling me or anyone else with a similar opinion an ignorant MMA fan. I have no contempt for those who are Machida fans. I am not going to argue with you over who you should be a fan of or who you shouldn’t but am not a fan. I recognize the skill that Machida has, I am just saying I don’t want to see it.

  • CaptainAmerica1967

    Elusive, but boring. Tito should have used dirty boxing and clinches to keep him from running away all the time. Don’t the judges give points for being aggressive and not running away. Look at the previous UFC fight where the opponent ran the whole time and the UFC kicked him out.

  • Johnny

    “The problem with calling what Machida did ’sting like a bee’ is did it really sting?”

    Tito’s face looked pretty beat up by the end of it. Ask him. Or Stephan Bonner. Or Rich Franklin. Sam Hogar. David Heath. Others too.

    “Sting” is actually an understatement, but it’s kind of poetic.

  • demonianray

    I appreciate ur sarcasm it’s beautiful {sarcasm}. But hey, I’m not some nut hugger, but I surely criticize the haters without at least a small sense of analysis and reason. If u say that Machida has no power on his kicks and punches then Tito surely didn’t have any bruises on his face,….uhmm oh wait HE DID! And I don’t have no problem if u don’t like Machida I am not some nuthugger who just wants everyone to like him, but I’ll surely like that someone cut him some slack, ’cause this fight didn’t prove anything because Tito barely engage him either. Most of the offense was on Machida’s part. If u want to see fighters with all around power watch sumo wrestling, MMA is about everything in martial arts not just KTFO’ing in every corner. I would surely like which is your basis regarding “power” behind punches, if Machida didn’t have none of that he wouldn’t have Ko’ed Rich nor bruised a lot of his competition all over this years.

  • Johnny

    “Don’t the judges give points for being aggressive and not running away.”

    They do give points for being aggressive. The octagon walls take care of the “running away” part.

  • Johnny

    “Jesus Christ, are you guys actually blaming Machida’s opponents for his boring style?”

    I never called Machida’s style boring.

  • demonianray

    That’s the reason why he wins the matches. Like someone said, if Machida is like Starnes why the hell did Machida won all 3 rounds??? uhmm I wonder why?? That’s one of the things i mostly hate about ppl, one shitty performance happens and when a non stellar performance (to some not to me) happens they rush to compare without even analyzing, they just jump into conclusions which is plain stupid.

  • Dave D

    ‘Tito’s face looked pretty beat up by the end of it. Ask him. Or Stephan Bonner. Or Rich Franklin. Sam Hogar. David Heath. Others too.’

    This is the only picture I could find and it is inconclusive because of the sunglasses but he looks fine to me.
    http://www.combatlifestyle.com/pics/view_image.php?id=34732
    (Tracy Lee ROCKS!)

    As for the other fights you mentioned, the only one that was TKOed was Franklin and that was from a knee (Bonner was a cut and taking credit for beating Sam Hogar is just low, really low). I thought Macida actually looked good and aggressive versus Franklin. Then again Jake O’Brien and Tim Sylvia used to finish fights too.

  • Boshy Claus

    I personally am not a Machida fan for all the reasons FL mentioned. But Canadians really shouldn’t make baseball analogies cause you end up sounding retarded.

  • Dave D

    ‘why the hell did Machida won all 3 rounds???’

    Like I said above (post 28) Machida has the best Hide and Slide in MMA. I am not saying that hide and slide won’t win fights. But just as people (in my opinion) shouldn’t win fights by lay and pray, they shouldn’t win fights by hide and slide.

    Being elusive and out point striking an opponent in my opinion is as skillful as taking some one down and controlling them from above (ask any collegiate or high school wrestler – I wrestled in high school).

  • demonianray

    Dave D,Which fight did u watch??? That picture doesnt even show his freaking eyes, that sunglasses are pretty big, damn it. Tito’s face was all bruised up after the fight. And like I said comparing O’brien with Machda, plain stupid and without basis. O’brien only relied on his wrestling and the guys he tko’d were pure cans. Machida mixes his shotokan with balance from his sumo black belt, and all that creates a defense near impenetrable. Sylvia’s style is somewhat close, but I never criticize it as boring until he began to use his size which is definitely not a martial art to LAY like a wrestler on the other guy like he did to Brandon Vera and Assuerio, but I surely liked Timmy’s performance against Nogueira.

  • demonianray

    I ask you Dave… Why wouldn’t that be deserving of winning a fight?? Lay n’pray is what Hughes did to Lytle in their fight, getting rest in Lytle’s chest and punching once in a while, Lytle did nothing to win that fight, same thing happen with Penn/GSP. The fight that I saw on Saturday and earlier today in a replay, Machida used his elusiveness to dodge the crappy standup Ortiz brought and picked him apart with lots of striking plus the highlights of the fight that were brutal nonetheless. The moments of inactivity I blamed them all to Ortiz, HE SIMPLY DID NOT ENGAGE, and Machida utilize his gameplan to perfection, the guy has a great takedown defense and a great defense for standup, adding it to the greatness of his all around MMA offense.

  • Dave D

    ‘That picture doesn’t even show his freaking eyes, that sunglasses are pretty big, damn it.’

    Thanks for restating what I said. If you could find an after fight picture that shows him all beat up, I would appreciate it. But that is the only one I found, although I didn’t look that hard.

    And comparing Machida with O’Brien does have basis. They both make no attempt to finish a fight.

    And like I said above (post 57), I do recognize Machida’s skill. But in my opinion, outstanding wrestling, takedowns and top control are comparable to ‘shotokan with balance from his sumo black belt’, but in my opinion neither should be sufficient to win.

  • http://fuckyou.com BigFern7

    Damn Fightlicker….60+ comments? comin on up. i agree completely re Machida….he needs to get smashed ASAP…and i think Wand’s just the kind of stylistic matchup that could get that done!

  • Johnny

    I’d love to see Wanderlei vs. Machida. Tito was a big letdown, but Wanderlei’s always game.

  • crs

    “So crs, if Tito had been KO’d by that knee in the 3rd, you would shut the fuck up?”

    I’d still say it was a bad fight for the most part, but would definitely give the guy credit for finishing. And there’s nothing wrong with going to decision: I think Karo is exciting but he couldn’t finish a fight if someone had a shotgun to his mother’s head. But he’s still fun to watch.

  • http://www.tardhard.com clint notestine

    i bet the next FL headline about machida will be “Lyoto Machida touches little boys”

  • Johnny

    “As for the other fights you mentioned, the only one that was TKOed was Franklin and that was from a knee (Bonner was a cut and taking credit for beating Sam Hogar is just low, really low).”

    lol @ “really low”

    But my point wasn’t that Machida has the power of a knock-out artist. Obviously he doesn’t. I’m just saying that he hurts his opponents (“stings like a bee”). Maybe not enough to knock them out, but enough to slow them down, making them easier targets and less of a threat, which obviously works for him.

    I’ve seen Lyoto try to finish often enough – he’s just not powerful enough to do it. The most obvious example I can think of is his Muay Thai knees to David Heath.

  • crs

    If Muhammad Ali still had control of his tear ducts, he’d cry that this generation of fight fans think he was a big pussy like Machida. At least he stuck around long enough in exchanges to take so many punches he had a giant hole in his brain by the end of his career. Lyoto won’t have that problem.

    And if you know anything about boxing you’d know Ali finished people.

  • Burtonchik

    machida is the new jersey devils of MMA

    unfortunately, I don’t think changing the rules, like making a smaller octagon would make him fight any more

  • crs

    Bring in yellow cards. Guys start to care when their money disappears 10% at a time with the 3rd card getting them DQed.

  • Johnny

    crs:

    Muhammad Ali was one of the best ever.

    No one’s saying Lyoto is one of the best ever.

    Chill.

  • Dave D

    ‘he’s just not powerful enough to do it. The most obvious example I can think of is his Muay Thai knees to David Heath.’

    Maybe I would be more impressed if Machida used his strikes to set up a clinch and then try to finish the fight with knees. He does have powerful knees. The problem I have is that he does have good timing and quick and accurate strikes but he doesn’t use them to set up any kind of finishing attack. He uses his strikes to keep his opponents away and disrupt their timing. And although skillful, shouldn’t be enough to win a fight.

    And in case someone is looking for me to give an answer as to how to stop someone from hiding and sliding their way to a victory, I don’t have one. Just as I don’t have an answer to stopping anyone from laying and praying their way to a victory. Maybe the judging criteria of ‘aggression and octagon control’ should be emphasized more.

  • Paul

    I have actively disliked watching Machida fight since he put on 15 minutes of suck against David Heath at UFC 70 (my first live event). Previous to that, I had onlyy seen his fight with Bonnar online, but I’ve never been a fan.

    I think fightlinker are calling this one right. The hype machine is in overdrive on Machida.

    On a side not – how many times did that asshat Goldie refer to the participants as “Cage Fighters”? A series of rather unsubtle plugs for Dana’s new favourite approved fighterwear. “Cage Fighter” isn’t the image I thought the UFC was going for either.

  • crs

    I know, I was just joking, Johnny.

  • Wandering

    If one guy is running away in a fight, they will lose on the judges’ card. But Machida wins. Why? It must be his boring style that wins. Am I right?

  • ninjitsu

    This is getting so many comments that I’m responding to something 20 posts above me, but…

    Jesus, Tito TRIED to take him down. He TRIED to clinch with him. Machida backed up and shrugged him off. The guy showed great take down defense. However, unlike someone like Chuck, Lyoto didn’t “spray and brawl” he sprawled and then ran, and ran and ran.

    Don’t you remember Nate Quarry saying how tough it is to fight someone who is running away? How can you blame Lyoto’s opponents?

  • ninjitsu

    Machida fans keep dodging the Tim Sylvia comparison. Are you guys Sylvia fans, too?

  • Wandering

    Is Antonio McKee like Randy Couture?

  • http://www.myspace.com/96273771 Tommy

    Dude you really do suck. A loser? You couldn’t even lick his nutsack Link. So if he’s a loser, what are you? Just stick to putting up your gay photos of awesome fighters, the way you picture them in your dreams.

  • Mister Akme

    What also might be at issue here is:

    How do you takedown someone so “elusive”. Is it by technique, all out shoots or is it too difficult to do?

  • http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2205263457 Popetastic

    I think my biggest problem with the pro-Machida guys is that they seem to be ignoring a key notion about sports fans–we don’t HAVE to like anybody’s style. Some people love watching wrestlers sit on guys and do minimal damage to squeak out decision wins. Some people hate those same wrestlers. How is this any different? Every time somebody says they find Lyoto boring, a backlash or “you are ignorant” type jaunts ensues.

    Guys: It’s OK to not like Machida. It’s also OK to not like Wanderlei Silva. My personal taste favors the guy who is constantly looking to finish a fight, and not the guy whose key attribute is elusiveness.

  • ninjitsu

    Tommy you’re right gay.

  • ninjitsu

    Sorry, but I just think that homosexuality has nothing to do with anything anyone said here. So, the latent homosexual has to bring it up. “Gay pictures”?

  • cyph

    Another nice post bait job by Fightlinker.

    #1: Tim Sylvia comparison: Total bullshit. Tim Sylvia is a one dimension striker with no ground defense. Machida is an untouchable striker with awesome ground defense (hello Tito Triangle), and superb submission. Tim Sylvia isn’t fit to lick Machida’s gi.

    #2: Machida was running from Tito: Bullshit. It’s called gameplanning. Machida is a striker, so he needs to keep his distance. Tito is a one dimensional wrestler, albeit a great wrestler. His modus operandi is to close in and take the opponent down. It’s Tito’s fucking job to close in and attack. He failed miserably at that. It’s not Machida’s job to help Tito by engaging in a wrestling match. Tito’s world is ground and pound, so it’s his perogative to close in and engage. Tito fell into Machida’s gameplan and that was to keep his distance and watch for Tito’s mistakes. Tito followed Machida’s gameplan exactly because he’s a dumbass. You can’t blame Machida for that.

    This is modern MMA. It’s no longer the 90’s UFC where fighters are expected to run in and bash each other’s brains in until someone’s chin give out. Fightlinker can go watch amateur MMA if all he wants is brainless bloodsport. This is the sport of MMA, and game planning is part of the equation.

  • demonianray

    cyph, I agree a 100% with ur post, my thoughts exactly.

  • Johnny

    The Tim Sylvia / Lyoto Machida comparison is a fair one, because they both prefer to kickbox just outside an opponent’s range. But that generalizes to the whole category of “out-fighters,” and past that the two fighters’ styles are quite different.

    Sylvia keeps that range by genetic endowment (reach plus KO power), whereas Machida uses speed and agility to dodge his opponent. Another difference is Sylvia’s KO power. Without that kind of force, Lyoto has to land more blows, i.e., be more precise, or else his strategy fails. Machida relies more on kicks, I think, Sylvia more on jabs.

    I don’t know enough about Sylvia to say much more than this, but they seem to be very different fighters to me.

  • ninjitsu

    Well, I disagree but I’ve decided I’ll stop responding because there really isn’t any point in arguing over it.

    I think Machida is boring. If you find him more exciting than Sylvia because he can escape a triangle than I guess that’s your prerogative.

  • ninjitsu

    @Johnny

    Just to clarify, I’m saying their styles are similarly boring.

  • cyph

    Fightmetric analysis of Machida-Ortiz:
    http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Ortiz.html

    Machida: 172, Ortiz: 46

    Case Closed.

  • Dave D

    Case closed? Was someone debating that Machida didn’t win? I thought the argument was about whether he is boring or not?

    And when did fightmetric become the be all and end all in who won or lost a fight?

  • Mark

    172/46? That’s pretty fucking exciting. To hell with watching the fight and seeing a bunch of fancy footwork. Just look at the Fightmetric number. 172/46?! Holy shit my adrenaline is really pumping after reading those two numbers separated by a slash.

  • ninjitsu

    I really hope Machida wins me over. I don’t see anyone at 205 beating him right now. Who do you guys think has the best chance?

  • ninjitsu
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    wordpress is broken.

  • Michaelthebox

    Woah, I’m way late in this conversation, but I have to add that FL is way the fuck off that someone will figure out Machida’s style and smash him. Machida’s an incredible talent, and even if someone figures out his style, it’ll still be a hard-fought battle. Mediocre talents don’t ragdoll Ortiz across the octagon then throw him down.

  • http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2205263457 Popetastic

    You know if they weren’t in the same camp, I’d say let’s see him take on Anderson Silva.

    I think AS’ uncanny accuracy, combined with his length and reach (not to mention striking power) would be more than enough to dispatch Lyoto.

  • Johnny

    “The problem I have is that he does have good timing and quick and accurate strikes but he doesn’t use them to set up any kind of finishing attack. He uses his strikes to keep his opponents away and disrupt their timing. And although skillful, shouldn’t be enough to win a fight.”

    When judging strikes, the round winner should be the guy who does the most damage. So if Machida’s strikes did nothing more than keep his opponents away and disrupt their timing, I’d agree with you. That’s a big, fat zero on my scorecard. But Machida’s strikes also damage his opponents and slow them down, which SHOULD count toward a win. Even if none of the strikes threaten a KO, so long as he did more damage to his opponent than he took, then he deserves the W. I see no reason to make it more complicated.

  • kwagnuth

    Hey Tommy why don’t you just tell us what you really think. He is elusive but he picks his spots very wisely. I also think he beat Tito at his owne game by taking him down and pounding the shit out of his huge melon head. Tito said he showed up to fight like Machida didn’t but Tito was the one that was saved by the bell. Plus Tito is lucky he didn’t shit himself after that knee. Matter of a fact he kinda looked like he was holding it in there for a second when he went down. Gives a whole new meaning to the term clinch.

  • cyph


    Case closed? Was someone debating that Machida didn’t win? I thought the argument was about whether he is boring or not?

    Boring in your’s and FL’s biased eyes. Look at who attacked more and who landed more shots. Machida. The boring fight was more the result of Tito’s timidity than anyone else. Tito’s fans will blame Machida for the lack of action but see Tito as faultless. Had Tito pulled off that triangle, all these people would claim that it was the best fight ever.

  • Johnny

    “Just to clarify, I’m saying their styles are similarly boring.”

    Sylvia bores me too, but not Machida. Laying it out, here’s what I enjoy:
    -quick, agile retreats
    -fast, precise attacks
    -strong on the ground
    -frustrates his opponents
    -sudden aggression when his opponent makes a mistake

    Overall, Machida’s style is a very effective method of beating up other people, and I really enjoy seeing it applied.

  • Asbel

    Just wanna say, I agree with Johnny that a greco’s corner you then pin you against the fence and pin you against the ground style is Mach’s worse matchup.

  • Xenicore

    I seriously question your perspective regarding “running away”; how people can blame Lyoto himself and hot his opponents confounds me. Can you honestly say that Tito exchibited any true aggression? He knew that if he waded in and committed to an offensive burst, Machida would make short work of him. Watch his body language. He knew his best shot at saving face was to hope for a lucky break toward the end of the fight; and he almost got it.
    I love watching Machida fight. I just do, it’s a work of art. I did, however, catch myself wishing he would’ve been more aggressive; but ONLY because I knew many fans would criticize his performance and question the validity of his technique.
    It’s fair for you to say that you think Machida is boring; it’s another thing entirely to state that other people are mistaken when they enjoy watching him fight. I’m not going to sit here and ridicule your assessment–even though I feel I would have enough ammunition to do so, perhaps. But I accept the fact that you find him to be dull. It would be wise for you to accept that fact that many of us enjoy him immensely. Yes, many of us do find him to be exciting.
    It’s all about perspective. I’d say, stick to expressing yours and don’t worry so much about why people disagree with you. Argue your points. But it belittles your own argument when you build up straw-men and knock them down while yelling triumphantly :)

  • Mark

    “The boring fight was more the result of Tito’s timidity than anyone else.”
    Are you serious? Did you even see it? Tito was moving forward the entire time. How was he the one being timid? Machida repeatedly ducked out of exchanges and refused to clinch or attempt a take down. There was no timid Tito, that’s just insane. Machida was so elusive Tito just never got a good hold of him despite being the obvious aggressor for fifteen minutes.

  • Mark

    No one enjoys watching Machida, they just enjoy being the sort of dickhole who SAYS that they enjoy watching Machida.

  • cyph

    Ducking and evading a wrestler who wants to take you down? Oh no!

    A striker who wants to keep his distance? Oh no!

    The bottom line is that Fightmetric has proven that Machida threw more strikes and landed more strikes. Tito attempted more take downs, but ended with none. Machida attempted one and completed one take down. You can argue with your biased mine, however I got fact and numbers to back me up.

    When you want Tito to win, you see Tito’s whiffing and failing in his attack as Machida running away. However, had you been an impartial viewer, you would’ve seen poetry in motion: Float like a butterfly, and sting like a bee; attack the opponent without getting hit. Just because Tito raised his hand in frustration doesn’t make Machida the lesser agressor. Fightmetric would beg to differ.

    Face it. Tito’s game plan should’ve been attack, attack, attack. After the near KO at the end of the first round, Tito turtled up. Watch the fight again and you’ll see that.

    Useful stats:
    Rd 1: Machida attempted 34 attacks, hitting 23, Tito attempted 18, hitting ZERO.
    Rd 2: Machida attempted 20 attacks, hitting 17. Tito attempted 19, hitting 6.

    The numbers don’t lie.

  • Johnny

    No one likes insulting people. They just enjoy being the sort of dickhole who SAYS that they enjoy insulting people.

  • Johnny

    Holy shit – no attacks from Tito succeeded in that first round? That’s crazy. A big part of that is probably Tito’s shitty-ass corner. (The most recent Low Blow was saying something about shitty corner help). Seems like the sort of guy who cultivates yes-men, doesn’t he?

  • Mark

    Time spent moving forward: Ortiz: 15 min, Machida: 0 Min.
    Time spend moving backwards: Machida: 15 min, Ortiz:0 Min.

    The numbers don’t lie.

  • cyph

    I didn’t know Machida attacks by moving backward.

    I’m sorry, Mark, but your man crush lost. Deal with it. I’m done with this thread, I will no longer get in any MMA argument with a guy who no longer makes sense. Mark, you should go back to Sherdog where the competition is easier.

  • Mark

    “No one likes insulting people. They just enjoy being the sort of dickhole who SAYS that they enjoy insulting people.”
    Okay, it was a rude thing to say but it applies to alot of the Machida fans. People get called ignorant or not real fans or whatever for not towing the Machida line and alot of online posters just avoid that by saying how magnificent his strategic performances are. Machida is okay to watch, but he needs to engage. He is a great fighter and not because of his “elusiveness.” He is great because he gets the better of his opponents in exchanges and because he can defend a takedown and handle himself on the ground. He needs to let loose and actually fight like a fighter.

  • Mark

    “I didn’t know Machida attacks by moving backward.

    I’m sorry, Mark, but your man crush lost. Deal with it. I’m done with this thread, I will no longer get in any MMA argument with a guy who no longer makes sense. Mark, you should go back to Sherdog where the competition is easier.”
    Okay cool, you lose and I win. That was alot easier than at Sherdog.

  • Jeremy (not that Jeremy)

    “And someone also said that it would of been a tie if Tito would of stopped and just stayed in teh middle of the octagon.

    That is even more ridiculis. If Tito would of pulled a stunt like that Lyoto would of attacked and made tito wish he didnt do that?”

    And, in fact, when Tito shrugged his hands at the ref in the third round, Machida DID pounce on him and make him pay for it. When the openings show up, Lyoto takes them. He could be a little more deadly, but I do kind of think the 5 minute rounds are working against him here. His KO record is better with longer rounds, so it’s just something he’ll need to adapt to. And I think he is.

  • Derrrrr

    I stopped reading when you started to compare MMA to basketball. You’re joking, right? Stick to being funny, you’re much better at that than trying to act like you have real knowledge about the sport.

  • Did Keith Jardine wake up yet?

    That brutal knee to Tito’s stupid liver won me over.

  • kwagnuth

    I think one of the things Tito did that didn’t seem very smart was that he kept backing up to the middle of the cage giving Machida more room to bounce around. If he was really hungry like he said he was he never would have done that. When Machida loses I think it will be to someone who has the footwork to bounce around keep up with him and I still think Anderson Silva would be the guy to do that.

  • ajadoniz

    FUCK STRATEGY, I WANT BLOOD!!!!!!!!!!

  • ajadoniz

    Randy uses strategy and his fights don’t suck, so what gives? I think Dana is keeping Lyoto to get rid of fighters he doesn’t want, like Tito… but i don’t Lyoto in the UFC for much longer. there’s no money in none-entertainment.

  • godzillad

    ”His KO record is better with longer rounds”

    Jesus Christ. That’s absolutely retarded. Jungle Fight and IBBY both use 3×5 like the UFC. Honestly. Do you think you can pretend to know what you’re talking about? You think all of us are TUF noobs?

    He cut Bonnar and he Dimitry Wanderley was ”TKOed” by not getting up fast enough from the butt scoot.

  • RL Dookiefuck

    The Machida fight owned, Machida owns, and anyone who disagrees is a stupid faggot who should be blogging about basketball instead of mixed martial arts.

  • Jordan Breen

    Go watch Varelans-Worsham, the whole disgusting lot of you.

  • Grass Hoppa

    He’s boring. Good but boring. If he used he evasive skills to engage more and create more oppertunites, he could become a great fighter. But at the moment, he is using he evasive skills to evade and thats it, and thats why people say he is boring. Using evasive skills to evade and shut down fights is a great skill, but not an entertaining one. He needs to use those evasive skills to create and capatilize on opportunities much more. In time, who knows, he may get there.

    But, in the end, none of this shit will matter, cos Rampage will fuk him so hard he’ll walk like a cowboy the rest of his life. Case Closed.

  • chico

    ”Go watch Varelans-Worsham, the whole disgusting lot of you.”

    Fuck that, I’mma watch Taz-Varelans in ECW.

  • http://nothingsense.blogspot.com cingred

    I came here thinking I would see a worthy post, then this!!!!…Yes!!!

    Machida is boring to people who don’t realize what he is doing. Technically, his fighting style is true to the core of martial arts – ANY martial art. You do exactly the opposite of what your opponent is doing. Which is what Machida does. Look at his takedown; He unbalanced Tito one way, then went the other with the trip.

    He feigns, counterpunches and CIRCLES out – again, Tito went for quick shot and he went right past Machida – its almost comical how silly he makes people look.

    He has great timing and uses left to counter anyone coming in on him. People aren’t ready for Machida. No one is. Watch him take down Wanderlei and school him on the ground if Wand gets the better of the stand up. Chuck Liddell did it with ease.

    Machida is the guy that Traditional martial artists said would be great in a competition like the UFC – just 15 years later.

  • Fightlinkers a Moron

    Bottom line:
    A win is a win is a win.

  • Timbo

    “Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee”? That was Ali, guys, not Machida. Machida is “Float like a buterfly, and sting like one, too.”

  • Nate

    A lot of the ignorant fans who are bored with Machida’s style obviously know NOTHING about MMA, and are probably the same brainless monkeys who keep FAKE entertainment like the WWE in business. Machida is really one of the few you could count on one hand who actually brings an effective martial ART to MMA (that’s “mixed martial arts” for the ignorant fans who haven’t figured that one out yet). Just because he doesn’t entertain you by ground n’pounding or trying to submit every opponent doesn’t mean he sucks, it would only prove that he’s one-dimensional and THAT is boring!
    Yes, it’s exciting to see guy’s get pulverized by a ground n’pounder, but it’s also exciting to see someone (like Machida) pick apart an opponent’s one-dimensional fight style (like Tito’s predictable ground n’pound). Machida had all kinds of answers for Tito, even giving Tito a taste of his own medicine at the end of the first round. Tito had nothing to offer Machida (he even threw a fit in which Machida quickly answered with a lighting-fast combo to Tito’s face) except for that last-minute submission attempt in which Machida still escaped.
    Machida is patient, methodical and tactical and it’s exciting to see how he frustrates and picks apart even the most accomplished aggresive fighters…like Tito. How can you not be in awe of those beautiful switch kicks he landed on Tito? Who else even has the skill to pull off kicks like that in the Octagon? Machida brings an art and skill level to MMA which thus far has proven extremely effective over the mass-produced ground-n-pounding/brawling-wrestling styles that seem to dilute professional MMA.
    Machida also brings a respect and dignity to professional MMA that is really lacking in a lot of trash-talking fighters. He doesn’t have to dye his hair or cover himself in tats to be tough. He certainly put an end to Tito’s trash-talk by excitingly putting lightning-fast fists into Ortiz’s mouth near the end of the second round. But he also respectfully bowed to Tito after giving the Bad Boy a spanking, what a TRUE martial artist!
    Just because Machida doesn’t succomb to his opponents’ fighting styles doesn’t mean his sucks. But if you think he does, well you’re probably a rabid fan of fake WWE wrestling and wire-fu movies. Machida is the real deal! “Dragon whips his tail!”

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bObD5XgGdw4 JoeRoganIsAnAss

    The problem is I just don’t like the way he fights. Machida fight’s like a bitch! And his Bitch@$$ness is represented in the fact that, no matter how much you glorify his style, he doesn’t want to get hit. He doesn’t have the heart of a fighter. He WON’T stand there and bang.

    When you think of the LHW Division, more specifically the people at the top, you think of guys that go out and throwdown. Rampage, Chuck, Wandy, Forrest & all those guys love to strike. To punch and take a punch. Knockouts; that’s what you think of with the LHW Division.

    So you’ll have to excuse me, as a MMA fan that doesn’t appreciate Machida’s adaptation of Karate into MMA. He’s a point-fighter! He’s a 185 pounder in a 203 pound body. I’m sorry, but I don’t have to jump on the Machida bandwagon or buy Joe Rogan’s “Elusive” line to appreciate Mixed Martial Arts.

    Is he on to something with his style? Yes, he is. Coming in lighter allows him to be too quick for his opponents (that’s summing A LOT of things into a nutshell). I’ll even applaud him for having the vision to make the change, based on the division, to his body, diet, conditioning, etc. He’s a professional, but I just haven’t seen anything in his past fights to project to the next level…

    But with everything in this Crazy Sport of ours, I’ll get my Matt Serra or Ryo Chonan, to come in & expose him for his bitchassness. Or maybe he just won’t have the power for the division’s bigger, better strikers… hmm?

  • http://jiujitsu365.wordpress.com/ Jiujitsu365

    Machida’s style is easy to figure out. Anyone who trained in “Karate” for self defense and fighting purposes and not for the love of the sport would realize that it is based on feints and deception. Hardly anyone in MMA uses deception, they use a straightforward, in-your-face style.

    Machida dodges, runs, feints, double-kicks and baits his opponent and makes you think he is going to run when he fully intends to baby slam you. Further, don’t chase him, make him come to you…

  • http://kentyman.com/ kentyman

    A lot of people are falling in line with the hype machine […]. No one wants to be called an “ignorant fan”, so rather than call a spade a spade they’re nodding and agreeing that Machida is simply amazing.

    I honestly thought the popular opinion was that Machida sucks, but the “hate machine” has yet to sway me. That fight was exactly what I was expecting and hoping for, and I was very much entertained.

    The emperor looks naked to me, and Machida does not bore me.

  • Timbo

    “A lot of the ignorant fans who are bored with Machida’s style obviously know NOTHING about MMA, and are probably the same brainless monkeys who keep FAKE entertainment like the WWE…”

    Behold, the guru of all things MMA! I say without a hint of sarcasm that you, sir, are the next Bruce Lee, or, at the very least, the next Mike Goldberg. May you continue enlightening us brainless monkeys with your esoterically esoteric wisdom.

  • godzillad

    Machida can’t make 185.

  • FlyByKnight

    The basketball analogy is retarded. It’s what the Spurs do all the time and win titles because of it. It got the Pistons their championship. I guess winning championships is a bad thing because the Suns are the most exciting team in all of the NBA yet what have they won over the last several years with their all offense , no defense strategy? Nothing. Great job FightLinker, you just proved why Machida is a great fighter rather than prove why he is not. If not getting hit is a bad thing, then I don’t want to be apart of what’s right. And I’m sure Machida doesn’t, either. Machida reminds me of what basketball was like before the implementation of the shot-clock back in 1954. Do people not remember Bob Cousy and his famous “stalling” tactics while dribbling the basketball before the shot-clock era? He got into the Hall of Fame, so why should we bash Machida for doing effectively the same stragety? We shouldn’t. And it’s a double-standard if we do. Get a clue people. What Machida does inside the octagon is poetry in motion. It’s sheer brilliance. It’s simply beautiful. If you don’t like it, change the channel. Don’t order the PPVs that he’s apart of and don’t call yourself a fan. If all you want to do is see guys go crazy in there and wade through a myriad of punches just to hopefully flatten the other guy out, then you are either a drunk or a guy calling yourself a true fan when you don’t understand the ins-and-outs of Mixed Martial Arts. FightLinker, cease posting. You have no credibility.

  • Giantoooo Shilbaaa

    The fightlinker is right, machida geteth his dicketh suketh lol

  • Tommy

    wow who ever thinks lyoto machida sucks is an idiot. He is great at controlling fights and rarely loses in exchanges and in the Tito fight he was fighting a smart fight against Tito by avoiding his good wrestling skills. If you have seen any of his other fights you would think of him as an exciting and talented fighter.

  • http://www.mma-live.com Tommy

    wow who ever thinks lyoto machida sucks is an idiot. He is great at controlling fights and rarely loses in exchanges and in the Tito fight he was fighting a smart fight against Tito by avoiding his good wrestling skills. If you have seen any of his other fights you would think of him as an exciting and talented fighter and y didnt tito cut him off to?

  • Gary

    I am not a Machida fan or a Machida hater. That being said, this entire page is a collection of the most retarded crap I’ve ever read. All I did was skim most of the posts and i’m pretty sure that dopped my IQ. I’m not entirely sure if Machida is scared to get hit or simply smart enough not to but unlike the collection of retards that posted above me, I won’t pretend I am. Saying Machida is boring is an opinion and to be honest, a fair one. However, to say he sucks is just ignorance. There are essentially 2 ways to win a fight… go for the win or go for the finish. I personally don’t find Lyoto Machida’s style of fighting particularly entertaining because he chooses to go for the win. Most of the favorite fighters are favorites because they finish fights and keep you on the edge of your seats, however is this reason to say that they are actually better fighters? Of course not. Since we’re doing sports analogies and I don’t really watch basketball…. If 2 football teams are tied with the game almost over and one team kicks a field goal to win rather than going for a touchdown does that mean they suck?

  • MFC

    While it’s kind of sad to say, entertaining the fans is almost as important as winning in this business. Machida wins fights but he does only what he has to to get by. I can’t stand that type of person period but even less so in a MMA fighter. The most exciting parts about his fights is when you realize that they’re finally over. I’ve heard people say that machida doesn’t have knockout power. I don’t know if I agree with that but I don’t think he is aggressive enough to KO a fighter. Plus its hard to throw a powerful strike when your momentum is going backward. With all that out of the way, he is still a very talented fighter. What is the point of coming here and bashing the man’s skill? I doubt he reads these posts so you’re not going to hurt his feelings and it won’t get your mom’s five dollars back that you bet while eating lunch at the junior high.

  • shorty mcweeding

    Yea hes a fucking pussy he runs around like a bitch. He takes stick and move to a whole new level.

  • BadDog

    I can tell who the real martial artist or those who appreciate it more to those aren’t. No doubt, Tito is entertaining to watch but he is as one dimentional as they come. The fact that Machida didn’t just jump in like some loon said a lot for Tito, respect. Give Machida some credit, he whooped Tito’s ass in the same way Randy Coutour did, except Randy did it on the ground and Machida did it stand up. Chillax ppl, it’s martial arts.

  • Sugar_Coat

    I don’t recall ever seeing a switch kick from Machida in any of his previous fights. By employing the 2 switch kicks in his last fight, is he making an honest attempt to be more “entertaining”. I my opinion, Machida is aware of what his fans and haters are saying about his “style” and he is making adjustments to be more “flashy” with out giving up too much of his game plan. If you saw the PPV, those switch kicks did draw crown’s reaction even though they did no more damage than his others strikes

  • Mike Hunter

    You know, you’re right. I’m sorry I thought the entire point of fighting was two guys hurting each other.

    No the point of fighting is to hurt your opponent, while minimizing the mount of damage that your opponent inflicts upon you. And Machita does this very well.

    his Bitch@$$ness is represented in the fact that, no matter how much you glorify his style, he doesn’t want to get hit.

    NO ONE WANTS TO GET HIT! Ok maybe a masochistbut that’s a different thing entirly. If you disagree then feel free to let me repeatidly punch in you the face with your hands tied behind your back.

    The only difference i nbetween Machida and other fighters, is; that other fighters are less skilled at avoiding their opponents attacks.

    Reading comments like this makes my think of how British generals during the revolutionary war would complain that American militia members wouldn’t just obligingly march towards the British Army the like zombies so they could be mowed down.

    The good news is that sooner or later, someone is going to figure out Machida’s style and he’s going to get smashed, just like the one dimensional BJJ guys and wrestlers of yore.

    Fightlinker is actually right here. Machita has figured out a way to be an outside fighter using karate like speed and deception instead of genetic gifts like freakishly long appendages.

    Eventually someone will figure out a way to counter his style, and everyone will be better off. MMA fights will be more exciting and multidemtional because fighters will have yet another trick that they can pull out of their bag. And we will have added yet again to our base of martial knowledge. MMA and NHB type fights with few or no rules and, substantial finanical rewards are the reason that martial arts have progressed more in the past 18 years then in the previous 2 centuries.

  • http://myspace.com/Fatal_Rose Fatal Rose

    Who ever wrote this article is a complete an utter moron that probably just started watching mma after TUF season one, knows nothing about martial arts, thinks that Bonnar/Forrest 1 was one of the best fights ever, is a redneck, gets boners over wild redneck brawls, has no appreciation of foot work, counter striking, technique, technical fighting. I bet this same guy also was pissed at Cung Le for keeping Shamrock at bat with side kicks and skill and not wanting to engage in a fist fight brawl.

    If you don’t like Machida’s style and can’t appreciate his skill, fine. But don’t say such outlandish things and make retarded insults. If you are going to be apart of a mma website and publish such crap I really question your knowledge of the sport. It’s funny how every fighters likes him and have nothing but great things to say about him. Also funny how it’s hard for Machida to find a fight, no one seems to want to fight him.

    Grow up and stop being a little pussy and give Machida his props.

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